--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@g...> wrote: > > haraldschneller wrote: > > Hi family, > > I own a Hohner Blues Harp in C, hardly played, > > from the 50's and so brown it makes me shiver... > > Any ideas how to transform this beauty to exs, I'm willing to post the files. > > Scheduled to 12/31/05, sorry, eBay then > > Just sample as many sustained (or not sustained) notes you can get out of it. Plain notes, bends, squeals, whatever. > Then post the wavefiles somewhere and let's see what we can come up with. > Just make sure the plain notes are long enough to add some useful loop points. > > Cheers, > Sascha Seems like you know what you are talkin' about. I'll be at the Wolf on Saturday evening. Unfortunately I'm only an afficionado of the harp, so a true player's in need Harald >

> Just sample as many sustained (or not sustained) notes you can get out of it. > Plain notes, bends, squeals, whatever. > Then post the wavefiles somewhere and let's see what we can come up with. > Just make sure the plain notes are long enough to add some useful loop points. Agreed with all the above. As many notes as possible.The harmonica has very fixed formants which won't transpose well even by a tiny deviation so a sample for every note would be ideal, preferably long, sustained as clean as possible for 6 seconds or so each. You should also do versions with the 'hand-wah' effect (tho those won't loop easily if at all). Sascha - I'll do the looping if required. The least I can do in return for your various favours! Best regards, Steve http://www.hollowsun.com

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "haraldschneller" <haraldschneller@w...> wrote: > > Hi family, > I own a Hohner Blues Harp in C, hardly played, > from the 50's and so brown it makes me shiver... > Any ideas how to transform this beauty to exs, I'm willing to post the files. > Scheduled to 12/31/05, sorry, eBay then > Hi there. Forgive me if i have posted this more than once. I think something is up with my server or yahoo settings... Regarding the harp, I would add that a lot of the sound has to do with chords, bending and the player. You might want to sample chords and use velocity or cc to trigger bends, suck/blow, and vibrato/tremolo. Consider using keyswitches to trigger notes and chords as you suck and blow. If you are a decent harp player you might use several octaves to change the style of playing (or create separate instruments). For example, you might make a single note octave or two, and then one that mimics the blues scale complete with the chords you get as you play with your mouth over several holes. I am facing a similar problem with a small accordion I am sampling. Unless you have a chromatic instrument (which a bluse harp is not), you need to decide whether you want it to be able to play in all keys or not. One of the things I like about the accordion I'm sampling, for example, is that it only plays a few different chords/bass notes. But they are just enough to make it fun to play and easy to write on. I think I will keep that aspect in the exs instrument. You might want to do something similar. Think of those 'auto chord' hobby keyboard that play chords from a single key. best, Nathan ___ Nathan Rosenberg Music Production The Doghouse NYC www.doghouseNYC.com

On 28.10.2005, at 16:04, doghousenyc wrote: > Think of those 'auto chord' hobby keyboard that > play chords from a single key. You mean Logic? ___ Peter Ostry

Thanx for all qualified comments so far, everything will be taken into consideration, time is of no importance... By the way, I heard a concert on the radio, there's an american player who develloped a technique in overblowing a diatonic harp, playing Charlie Parker tunes ?!! Sorry don't remember his name. Keep on posting Harald

> > Anyone know of an app that can do bulk/batch permission changes.....? >Sure...batchmod >http://macchampion.com/arbysoft/ >best, > Jeff Superb!! Thanks Jeff....that just saved me hours and hours plus my sanity. Regards - Colin

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Hi Everyone, I'm trying to figure out how to set up a drum kit by replacing samples in a factory kit (Rock Kit) with samples from my Alesis DM5. I'm discovering, for example, that there are 16 (!) zones dedicated to the same kick sample. When I replace the kick sample in Zone 1, my new sample only plays at the highest velocity. So I obviously need to change the sample in each zone that points to the kick group. Having only used outboard drum machines and modules in the past, this seems overly laborious to me. Is this the only way to achieve velocity sensitivity in a sampler instrument, by having that many zones that point to one group? If so, is there a way to replace the sample in each zone that points to a specific group in one step? TIA! R.I.P. Emagic Tech Support -Mark Bradford Denver, CO, USA http://www.mark-bradford.com/

Mark Bradford wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how to set up a drum kit by replacing samples > in a factory kit (Rock Kit) with samples from my Alesis DM5. I'm > discovering, for example, that there are 16 (!) zones dedicated to the > same kick sample. That's not all that unusual for a detailed sampled drum kit. What's confusing me is that you are saying the "same" sample is used for 16 zones. Are you absolutely sure? Unless you wanted something like, say, a different tuning on different velocity zones that'd just make close to no sense. Or are you only saying the kick is using 16 zones (each loading a different sample)? In that case, as said, it'd be nothing special. > When I replace the kick sample in Zone 1, my new > sample only plays at the highest velocity. So I obviously need to > change the sample in each zone that points to the kick group. Having > only used outboard drum machines and modules in the past, this seems > overly laborious to me. Well. It all depends on the samples you plan to use. Have your kick sampled at 5 velocities? Fine, use 5 zones. Only have one kick sample? Fine again, use 1 zone and set the velocity range parameter to respond from 0 to 127. > Is this the only way to achieve velocity sensitivity in a sampler > instrument, by having that many zones that point to one group? No. The main velocity response of an instrument is defined straight on the EXS GUI. The slider almost all the way at the right is defining the velocity to output volume response, the lower half being responsible for the volume at lowest velocity, the upper half being responsible for the volume at highest velocity. Drag them all the way up/down and you'll get maximum velocity response, put both "halfs" at one value and you'll get no velocity response. Now, in some samplesets (and drums might be a good example), different volumes are achieved by using samples of different levels, all stacked in multi-velocity zones. In that scenario, when you hit something with low velocity, a sample with low output volume will be selected (as defined in the velocity range for the used zones). In such a case it might make less sense to use the aforementioned velocity slider in addition, as the sample switching would allready do the job. If you however have less (or only one sample) per key, you may want to use the velocity slider for a more realistically sounding patch. Oh well, and there's further methods to add to the realism when using few samples only, such as setting up some velocity to samplestart modulation. That way, on lower velocities the first attack of the samples would be left out, quite a useful trick for drums. Hope that helps a bit, Sascha

> Or are you only saying the kick is using 16 zones (each loading a > different sample)? In that case, as said, it'd be nothing special. > You're right, of course. After another day of fiddling with it, I realize now what multiple zones assigned to one key are for. I just wish there was a way to "globalize" certain parameters in related zones. For instance, in the default kit I'm in the process of setting up, I want to tune the Dry Standard Kit tom samples I'm using up a few steps. So instead of tuning one high tom sample up 3 half steps, I have to do that 12 times, once for each zone. Another thing I've always done to create more realistic drum rolls is to assign each snare and tom sound to 2 keys, and detune one key slightly. But whereas with the outboard machines I'm used to, you only have to detune one sound, with the EXS you have to detune 12 if you want to use all the versions of sample that are available. So I'm assigning the 12 versions of the high tom sample to 2 keys, coarse tuning all of them +3, and fine tuning half of them +30. I also have to check Disable Pitch 24 times. Isn't there a way to make simple changes apply to all selected zones? The problem for me is that when I audition a drum kit, I never like every sample in it. When you have to adjust so many individual parameters just to change one sound, it makes for way more work than it should, IMO. Thanks again for your help! R.I.P. Emagic Tech Support -Mark Bradford Denver, CO, USA http://www.mark-bradford.com/

Mark Bradford wrote: > Isn't there a way to make simple changes > apply to all selected zones? In my "vintage" version (still using Logic 5.5.1 on a PC) there only is for all checkboxes. Hold down CTRL, and all the selected zones checkboxes will change at once. I'm almost sure that in Logic 7.1 this is also working for value based parameters. You may have to use another modifier key on a Mac as well, I wouldn't happen to know which one (well, there's not all that much of a choice...). > The problem for me is that when I audition a drum kit, I never like > every sample in it. When you have to adjust so many individual > parameters just to change one sound, it makes for way more work than it > should, IMO. If you are dealing with sampled drums on a regular base, do yourself a favour and get a dedicated drum sampler, such as NIs Battery. You won't believe how much time you'll save for better things than tweaking the EXS... Regards, Sascha

> Hold down CTRL, and all the selected > zones checkboxes will change at once. > I'm almost sure that in Logic 7.1 this is also working for value based > parameters. You may have to use another modifier key on a Mac > as well, I wouldn't happen to know which one (well, there's not all > that much of a choice...). Holding down the option key works for that in 7.1, so thanks for that! Here's another question: I have "One shot" selected in all my cymbal samples, but the samples still cut off when I release the key. According to the plug-in manual, when "One shot" is checked, the sample is supposed to play to the end regardless of the length of the trigger note. Is there some other parameter that affects this? Thanks again for all your help! R.I.P. Emagic Tech Support -Mark Bradford Denver, CO, USA http://www.mark-bradford.com/

On Nov ,3, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Mark Bradford wrote: > According to the plug-in manual, when "One shot" is checked, the sample > is supposed to play to the end regardless of the length of the trigger > note. Is there some other parameter that affects this? Try increasing the value of the release parameter of ENV 2 in the lower right hand corner of the main plugin interface (the "R" in the ADSR parameters). This should help. -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com Almat Productions

> Try increasing the value of the release parameter of ENV 2... Surely not? ONE-SHOT (or 'play to sample end regardless of trigger length') should be irrespective of such settings. Sorry... I know I am probably looking like a troll but dear me! And sorry Eli - I know you're trying to help the guy (and maybe your solution is the trick) but it shouldn't be - this is fundamental stuff and Mark is correct in his expectations.... ONE-SHOT should play the entire sample regardless... end of story! TROLL ALERT!!!! Sorry to labour the point but this has been in place for 18 years or more with Akai samplers since the S900! It's not my intention to 'troll' but I just find it staggering that such fundamentals appear not to be implemented in this supposedly 'cutting edge' product! This and the lack of 'mute groups' and so on. I can see now why Sascha is so keen to recommend dedicated drum samplers! This and the lack of mute groups and Mark's confusion and problems with zones, etc.... makes me think that EXS is not ideally suited for drums and percussion! Hmmmmm! I have to say that if I'd just spent good money on Logic (and all the other paraphernalia to make it work/sound half decent) I'd be well miffed!! Best regards, Steve http://www.hollowsun.com

> I agree. One shot should work the way it is supposed. I don't use it > often, but have never had any problem when I have used it. I don't know > what could be causing this problem Mark is having. Mmmmm! > PS: Just saw the review of your sample CDs in Sound On Sound....... > nice article! Yes! Nick gave 'em a cracking review - he really rated the Tron and CP70 as the best he's heard (and he's heard a *lot* - having played with several prog-rock heavyweights such as Steve Hackett, he knows exactly how they should sound!!!!). Best regards, Steve http://www.hollowsun.com

This one has had me tearing my hair out, I'm sure others may have encountered the same problem. If I have a vocal phrase, for example, that goes 'we drift away into the night' in the arrange page, then I load that audio file into my exs24 and I want to have a few different keygroups all starting at different points, 'we' on C1, 'drift' on C#1, 'away' on D1, etc, etc, I click on the little 'E' in the exs24 zone parameter box, and it brings up the dialogue box that says something like 'region used in arrange window, can't edit region borders' which basically means that if I edit what's in the exs24, it will affect the start point of the audio file on the arrange page!! How do I adjust the start point of a sample in the exs, without it affecting the start point in the arrange window. There is no reference to it in the manual and I do remember it worked once by accident, so I know it is possible but I don't know how I don't really want to have to create new audio files as a workaround

Hi there, A mind Teaser that came-up now, I simply cannot import my Akai CDs, I've done this a million times before since logic 4 and in logic pro 7 too, but all of a sudden i just cant do it again, I upgraded recently to 7.1.1, I had to downgrade again to 7.1 to see if this is the problem, but Hell NO,,,,,,,,,, Any HELP PLEAAAAAAAAASE?????????

Thanks for all your comments, everyone! The problem seems to have corrected itself. The samples are playing to the end now, without my changing anything. Maybe it was a RAM issue. More likely, it's my own ignorance of samplers, having never really used them before now. Thanks for all your help! R.I.P. Emagic Tech Support -Mark Bradford Denver, CO, USA http://www.mark-bradford.com/

dearest users- I have another beginners problem with importing a 6 cd sampler instrument/sample library into my sampler instrument folder. I recently received 6 discs each containing certain sampler instrument files such as guitars on one, drums on another, etc. Each cd-rom contained a data file with the exs sampler instrument and the corresponding wav files used by that instrument. I copied each data file directly to my sampler instrument folder under library/applicationsupport/logic and the exs24 in logic shows that it recognizes them in it's instrument pull down window. But when I try to play no sound comes out. I pushed the edit button, although I don't really know how to set zones or regions, and noticed that all of the audio files in each zone were empty. I don't understand how all the files can be together in the sampler instrument folder and not run smoothly. Do I need to set up an alias or am I importing this completely wrong? PLEASE HELP because i would like to use these samples as sound fx/music for a movie as well as use in other musical creations. To all that help I am forever grateful. Todd

At 01:20 AM 11/8/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I have another beginners problem with importing a 6 cd sampler >instrument/sample library into my sampler instrument folder. > I recently received 6 discs each containing certain sampler >instrument files such as guitars on one, drums on another, etc. >Each cd-rom contained a data file with the exs sampler instrument >and the corresponding wav files used by that instrument. I copied >each data file directly to my sampler instrument folder under >library/applicationsupport/logic and the exs24 in logic shows that >it recognizes them in it's instrument pull down window. But when I >try to play no sound comes out. I pushed the edit button, although >I don't really know how to set zones or regions, and noticed that >all of the audio files in each zone were empty. I don't understand >how all the files can be together in the sampler instrument folder >and not run smoothly. Do I need to set up an alias or am I >importing this completely wrong? >PLEASE HELP because i would like to use these samples as sound >fx/music for a movie as well as use in other musical creations. Doesn't this large 6 CD sample library have installation instructions? What library is it? Garth Hjelte Sampler User

Hello. I was wondering if their was a program that converts Mach V/ Akai samples to EXS format. I read something about a program called translator?? Is this freeware? There has to be an easier way than doing it all manually, any answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

> >I have another beginners problem with importing a 6 cd sampler > >instrument/sample library into my sampler instrument folder. Todd > Doesn't this large 6 CD sample library have installation instructions? What > library is it? > > Garth Hjelte > Sampler User >It's a MAJESTIC INSTRUMENTS BUNDLE by INERTIA PRODUCTIONS. I received no instructions with it because it was a promotional bundle. It contained a data file with all exs instruments and wav files together inside. I hope this helps. Thanks again for the interest. Todd

Message posted by Nate <jedinate@...> ______________________________________________________________________ Hello. I was wondering if their was a program that converts Mach V/ Akai samples to EXS format. I read something about a program called translator?? Is this freeware? There has to be an easier way than doing it all manually, any answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

At 07:14 PM 11/8/2005 -0600, you wrote: >I was wondering if their was a program that converts Mach V/ Akai samples to >EXS format. I read something about a program called translator?? Is this >freeware? >There has to be an easier way than doing it all manually, any answers >would be greatly >appreciated. MachFive Programs, with .m5p and .m5m (Performances) extensions, can be converted into EXS-24 format using Translator Windows www.chickensys.com/tranlsator, yes. (Akai CD's and such can be imported directly into EXS adequately just with EXS.) Garth Hjelte Sampler User

At 10:53 PM 11/8/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >I have another beginners problem with importing a 6 cd sampler > > >instrument/sample library into my sampler instrument folder. >Todd > > > Doesn't this large 6 CD sample library have installation >instructions? What > > library is it? > > > > Garth Hjelte > > Sampler User > > > >It's a MAJESTIC INSTRUMENTS BUNDLE by INERTIA PRODUCTIONS. I >received no instructions with it because it was a promotional bundle. >It contained a data file with all exs instruments and wav files >together inside. >I hope this helps. Thanks again for the interest. .exs files need to find their sample data files, and this is done by an absolute path that is stored within the .exs file itself. With commercial libraries, undoubtedly they are unlinked since they don't know the names of your drives etc. Run Project Manager and that can update the links stored within those .exs files - that should solve the issue. Garth Hjelte Sampler User