On 19/02/2005, at 7:33 AM, Pete Thomas wrote: > > I also used to use Acid Pro and Ableton Live for timestretching. Pete, Would you say that Logic 7 does as good a timestretching job as Acid and Ableton? Andris

got ya on that a'loops/pHatmatik pro thing. now anyone on that inst editor in LE7? thanks! -r- --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Pete Thomas <logic@p...> wrote: > russelmahon wrote: > > > > --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Pete Thomas <logic@p...> wrote: > > > > > >>[pHATmatic Pro] > >>It will slice up a drum or percussion file into beats in a very > >>useable > >>way and then export a MIDI file which you can use as a loop. It > >>won't > >>identify pitch or individual drums for you, but you would just > >>extract > >>or edit bits in the midifile. > >> > >>I used to use this alot before Apple Loops. > >> > > > > > > hi, I just now upgraded from LE6->LE7 so this is my first experience > > w/Apple Loops. But your saying A'LOOPS will work a lot like > > pHATmatic pro? will it slice and extract the MIDI timing info from a > > loop as well? > > No, I didn't actually say that Apple Loops works like Phatmatik. I said > that I used to use Phatmatik a lot before Apple Loops. > > I used it because it was a way of getting an audiofile to play at > different tempos. It slices loops whereas as Apple Loops timestretches > them, but it got the same results for my purposes. > > I also used to use Acid Pro and Ableton Live for timestretching. > > -- > Pete Thomas > www.petethomas.co.uk > - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Andris Sice wrote: > On 19/02/2005, at 7:33 AM, Pete Thomas wrote: > > >> I also used to use Acid Pro and Ableton Live for timestretching. > > > Pete, > > Would you say that Logic 7 does as good a timestretching job as Acid > and Ableton? Seems to, but I may be going deaf in my old age! I've sold Acid and would like to sell Ableton. Even if it's not quite as good, the creative advantages from the workflow, ie not needing to import or rewire, makes me write better tunes anyway, and that's what matters to my client(s) -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

>> Hi Y'all, >> I just wanted to let you know that I have uploaded the 496 samples >> from my RM50 >> drum module to my site. The samples are all categorized and zipped for >> easy >> download. Please let me know if you have any problems. >> >> http://www.millertone.com/samples.html Excellent work dude; thanks! -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com Almat Productions

Thanks so much for this! Danny Bridgens On Feb 18, 2005, at 3:29 AM, kevin swain wrote: > > > --- mandcmiller <mandcmiller@...> wrote: > > --------------------------------- > > Hi Y'all, > I just wanted to let you know that I have uploaded the > 496 samples from my RM50 > drum module to my site. The samples are all > categorized and zipped for easy > download. Please let me know if you have any problems. > > http://www.millertone.com/samples.html > > Enjoy, > Matt Miller > > > > CHEERS MAN, A JOB WELL DONE THERE GREAT !!!! > > THANK YOU > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > EXS* Users Group > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ > - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

On 19/2/05 1:35 AM, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@...> wrote: > > Peter Ostry wrote: >> And what says Yamaha? > > While the samples are pretty nice, I've allready been wondering as well. > Usually the verdict is: Sampling of non-samplebased synths = OK, sampling of > sample based stuff (or extracting source samples such > as wavetables) = not OK. I can't see anything wrong with sampling a discontinued product and then giving the samples away, it's not as if Yamaha is going to loose revenue from Matt did.

On 19/02/2005, at 1:03 AM, Sascha Franck wrote: > > Paul Najar wrote: >> Surprised it's not been mentioned but for drum replacing, Logic does >> an >> excellent job and has done for years. "Audio To Midi Groove Template" >> it's called and you'll find it in the sample editor. It will do whole >> tracks of drum recording if you like. Particularly useful if you want >> to replace a snare in a live drum recording. > > I think I allready mentioned this in an earlier reply - but you're > completely right, Logic does a GREAT job on this (especially > since you can do it for complete tracks as well - rather than for a > limited amount of 127 notes, which is what all the VST/AU > slicers are doing). > > One of the features I'm missing the most when working with Cubase > (they just left that out in SX, had been there in earlier > versions), which I have to do quite sometimes these days. Apologies if I missed your post on this Sascha. I may have come in part way through the thread... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

Thanks, Matt! - Lenny >--- mandcmiller <mandcmiller@...> wrote: > >--------------------------------- > >Hi Y'all, >I just wanted to let you know that I have uploaded the >496 samples from my RM50 >drum module to my site. The samples are all >categorized and zipped for easy >download. Please let me know if you have any problems. > >http://www.millertone.com/samples.html > >Enjoy, >Matt Miller > -- =========================================================================Len ny Stearns lens@... Alexandria, Virginia =========================================================================

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@g...> wrote: > Peter Ostry wrote: > > And what says Yamaha? > > While the samples are pretty nice, I've allready been wondering as well. > Usually the verdict is: Sampling of non-samplebased synths = OK, sampling of sample based stuff (or extracting source samples such > as wavetables) = not OK. > > - Sascha One of the reasons I posted these samples was to show my appreciation for all of the other great samples I have been able to download for free. As far as the ethics are concerned: there are dozens of commercially available sample libraries that have drum boxes and other synths represented, and I doubt that there are any royalties being paid to the original manufacturers for the use of those sounds. My next project, after programming the RM50 kits, is going to be a bunch of Casio VZ-1 presets. Is there any difference between a nonsample-based synth's presets vs. a sample player's presets? Plus, providing the samples of the RM50 does not replicate it's functionality - like the ability to have seperate envelopes, filters, etc... per voice. And yeah... The RM50 is long discontinued. -Matt

mandcmiller wrote: > One of the reasons I posted these samples was to show my > appreciation for all of the other great samples I have been able to > download for free. Don't get me wrong, this is very much appreciated. And you've done a nice job on sampling and cutting them, judging from what I listened to so far. > As far as the ethics are concerned: there are > dozens of commercially available sample libraries that have drum > boxes and other synths represented, and I doubt that there are any > royalties being paid to the original manufacturers for the use of > those sounds. I wouldn't be too sure about that point. At least professional sampling companies, or people using samples for instruments (such as Spectrasonics) pay a fortune for their licenses. At least that's what Eric (Person) once posted (not sure whether it was on this list or on KVR). > My next project, after programming the RM50 kits, is > going to be a bunch of Casio VZ-1 presets. Is there any difference > between a nonsample-based synth's presets vs. a sample player's > presets? Legally, yes, there is. Personally, I find this to be a bit weird too - but I can understand it nevertheless, at least partially. Let's assume the following situation: There's a hardware unit with LOADS of RAM or diskspace - so there might be a whole lot of (ROM) sounds on it, high quality samples, which the company doing said hardware unit had to license from the company distributing the samples. Now, let's just assume Mr. Garritan (or whomever) contributed a big set of symphonic strings to that unit's ROM content. Would you think it'd be legal to resample those strings? I'm sure Mr. Garritan and the hardware unit company would strongly disagree - and laws are disagreeing as well (at least from what I know). > Plus, providing the samples of the RM50 does not replicate > it's functionality - like the ability to have seperate envelopes, > filters, etc... per voice. And yeah... The RM50 is long discontinued. Yes, I know. But just imagine Yamaha would've planned to re-use those samples in a, say, low level line VST synth of their own (you may know that they're now teaming with Steinberg, so it's not even THAT unlikely). They might think about losing customers because this very sampleset is allready available. Whether that's plausible or likely to happen is beyond the point... the samples are owned (or licensed) by Yamaha. As said, don't get me wrong, I truly appreciate your effort and I might use those samples too - they're wellsorted and good sounding. I was only pointing out the legal issues - and companies such as Roland and Yamaha are VERY sensitive (and aware) regarding such matters. Just ask Eric (Person). The bottomline being: Those companies protect whatever they can. With samples it's rather easy - with non-samplebased synths it isn't. Maybe that's why they don't care as much about these. Regards, Sascha

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@g...> wrote: > mandcmiller wrote: > > I doubt that there are any > > royalties being paid to the original manufacturers for the use of > > those sounds. > > I wouldn't be too sure about that point. > At least professional sampling companies, or people using samples for instruments (such as Spectrasonics) pay a fortune for their > licenses. At least that's what Eric (Person) once posted (not sure whether it was on this list or on KVR. I see that Hollow Sun has a number of sample-based synths available. Do you know how they deal with the legal issues? I don't think that there is a license agreement invlolved when you buy a synth or any other instrument. The RM50 I have is owned by me, not licensed. Even though the sounds are sample-based, they are each running through the RM50's synth engine, and each sampled is uniquely programmed with the engine - not unlike an analog synth. But I think that is even besides the point. As far as Spectrasonics is concerned, Eric Persing may have been the original programmer for many of the samples that have been used in the Roland synths that he has since reissued in various Spectrasonics products. For that reason, as a former employee (or contract employee) he may very well be held to a different legal standard. Thanks, Matt

On 19. Feb 2005, at 23:02, mandcmiller wrote: > ...there are > dozens of commercially available sample libraries that have drum > boxes and other synths represented, and I doubt that there are any > royalties being paid to the original manufacturers for the use of > those sounds... In addition to Sascha's comments: Serious commercial developers and distributors always ask for permission. Besides of the ethic aspect, reselling copyright protected names or sounds can become very expensive. And besides of that, imagine a letter from Yamaha addressed to you: "First, you did not have the permission to distribute a product whose name implies that it is a product of our company. Second - your samples do not sound like a real RM50. You injured our reputation." Oops. Easy workaround: study the preset names of the Guitar Amp Pro. Apple did not avoid real names just for fun... Peter Ostry

> I see that Hollow Sun has a number of sample-based synths available. > Do you know how they deal with the legal issues? By using common sense as best I can wherever possible.... by just trying to be 'decent'! I know that all the current major players know my site and know it well... in fact, it recently got me some work with one of them! I have emails from various personnel in these companies complimenting me on the site, on the quality of the work, whatever and in the three and half years Hollow Sun has been on-line I have have not received even ONE complaint ever from any of the featured manufacturers. I dunno.... maybe what I do *does* fly in the face of what is *technically* legal with regards to copyright but I dunno... perhaps the spirit with which I do it makes it (somehow) morally acceptable. For example: * I do not feature current products, only discontinued ones, and if I do feature a current instrument, it is done with respect, understanding and/or prior agreement * I provide the instrument's history (often with interesting anecdotes based on my long experience in this business). I am not, in other words, just 'ripping off' some sounds and putting them out there for all to grab... I am (maybe) offering an altogether different service * I am not profiteering out of this venture. Ok... I have a few CDs on sale now but I think that the manufacturers know that they are not likely to impact on sales of their gear... in fact, they might even see them as good publicity - a 'taster' of the real thing (perhaps) * The companies (perhaps) appreciate the respect the site shows towards them and their products and their products' designers/developers * The companies represented at Hollow Sun realise that is is a labour of love and a valuable resource for the wider community in the long-term and that I am not out to rip anyone off Whatever... as I say - I dunno.... but in three and a half years of being on-line, Hollow Sun has received nothing but positive support from the manufacturing community. Frankly, I can't see Yamaha gearing up their legal staff to pounce on Matt next week for this... it's just not worth their while. The RM50 is an old drum module from 1993 that was discontinued many years ago - I doubt that they even care. And if Yamaha really do want to revive some 10-yr-old sample set (which is probably unlikely), their marketing power is gonna trample all over Matt's efforts to make it available to the EXS community as a little freebie. Best regards, Steve http://www.hollowsun.com

On 20. Feb 2005, at 02:38, Hollow Sun wrote: > * I do not feature current products, only discontinued ones, and if I > do > feature a current instrument, it is done with respect, understanding > and/or prior agreement Now the major players know you, but I am curious how you started your work. Did you just try to be quiet and do a good job or did you occasionally ask for (and get) permission in advance? Actually I am astonished how that is handled in the music-related industry. According to my experience companies tend to ignore licensing questions from people they do not know. Peter Ostry

> I am curious how you started your > work. Did you just try to be quiet and do a good job or did you > occasionally ask for (and get) permission in advance? Hollow Sun started with just some Mellotron samples and a few Roland, Ensoniq and Korg samples (all products long out of production) and quite frankly, I didn't even think about copyright. These were followed by other suitably ancient instruments (Rhodes, Clav, Roland VP330, ARP String Ensemble, etc.). Again, quite frankly, copyright didn't even cross my mind (I genuinely thought it wasn't an issue)! The first instrument I featured that was/is in production was the Novation K-Station but that only came about through an informal chat with the guys at Novation when I was working on the V-Station and was considered almost an act of publicity. Other times, I have just risked it. One such example was the Chapman Stick. I wanted to feature that instrument not just for its fabulous sound but also to bring this amazing instrument to the attention of the wider sampling community. Three days after the page went up, I received an email from Emmett Chapman himself thanking me for the page and asking if he could use part of my description of the instrument on Chapman's own company website (and offering some freebies in return!). I have also been contacted by relatives of the deceased members of the Mellotron/Chamberlin story thanking me for putting the whole story into accurate perspective. And I was contacted by one of Chamberlin's relatives to correct some info on that page. I also know (again, from personal contact) that many key Korg and Roland staff and personnel are using my stuff in the Triton and Fantom respectively and have written to thank me for the sounds - ironic when you consider that a fair chunk of it uses samples from Korg and Roland keyboards/synths! And I was at Roland UK's head office for a meeting the other week and they commented how fabulous my J/XV CD's audio demo sounded!!! So, the whole thing at Hollow Sun has just evolved without one single issue or complaint. *Technically* and in the strict eyes of the law, the site might represent a field day for some lawyer but, in *practice*, Hollow Sun seems to have attained the tacit approval of the industry to the point where the work I present there has led to opportunities within the very companies whose instruments I feature! I can't say whether what I do at Hollow Sun is right or wrong... it was certainly never *intended* as a rip-off, profiteering exercise and the whole venture is done with everyone's best interests in mind. Whatever it is that I have done, I seem to have got away with it to the point that Hollow Sun now appears to be an accepted part of the sampling community, even by the manufacturers themselves. Best regards, Steve http://www.hollowsun.com

> Actually I am astonished how that is handled in the music-related > industry. According to my experience companies tend to ignore licensing > questions from people they do not know. > > > Peter Ostry > > Hi..I don't understand what you are talking about.Can you expand what you mean Thanks..T

Hello, Can someone direct me to solo oboe samples for free or slae. Thanks. Joe.

On 20. Feb 2005, at 14:42, taylormorgantaylor wrote: >> Actually I am astonished how that is handled in the music-related >> industry. According to my experience companies tend to ignore >> licensing >> questions from people they do not know. >> >> Peter Ostry >> > Hi..I don't understand what you are talking about.Can you expand what > you > mean Thanks..T Some time ago I built a large set of environment tools for Logic, especially for remote controllers. I wanted to name it "Logic Quick Tools" and a subset "Korg MC-1". So I asked Emagic and Korg and did not get answers. Later on I asked the people at VSL about using their samples in a studio which does not own the library. No answer. There was no unclearness in my questions - the mail to Korg was just two sentences, Emagic speaks German like me and VSL is just half an hour away from my home. On the other hand you get immediate response from two software companies (one German, one American) about naming products built with their software. They tell exactly what you can do and how to put the name. And I am used to answer licensing questions myself. We had a web-based email system which could be licensed. And we have still a system for creditcard authorization which people want to license now and then. We do not give licenses for that but naturally people ask before they go in for something. I am puzzled that companies who partly live on licenses do not talk about them. But they are very quick to sue each other. Stupid game, in my opinion. Peter Ostry

on 2/20/05 7:54 AM, Joe Frey at joe.frey@... wrote: > > Hello, Can someone direct me to solo oboe samples for free or slae. > Thanks. Joe. > I like the Westgate woodwinds library. You can get a good price at the Tascam (Gigastudio) web site. Don

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe Frey <joe.frey@R...> wrote: > Hello, Can someone direct me to solo oboe samples for free or slae. > Thanks. Joe. Hi! You might want to check out our oboe as well. It is the most extensively sampled oboe on the market as far as articulations and velocity layers. It is also only $99.00 Here are a couple of demos... http://www.donniechristianstudios.com/mp3demos/PeterOboe.mp3 This one has the oboe as well as some of the other woodwinds an the cello... http://www.donniechristianstudios.com/mp3demos/EndofTime.mp3 Thanks for listening. Donnie

--- Donnie <donnie@...> wrote: > Hi! You might want to check out our oboe as well. > It is the most extensively sampled > oboe on the market as far as articulations and > velocity layers. It is also only $99.00 > > Here are a couple of demos... > > http://www.donniechristianstudios.com/mp3demos/PeterOboe.mp3 > > This one has the oboe as well as some of the other > woodwinds an the cello... > > http://www.donniechristianstudios.com/mp3demos/EndofTime.mp3 Do these actually exist?

> > --- Donnie <donnie@d...> wrote: > > > > Hi! You might want to check out our oboe as well. > > It is the most extensively sampled > > oboe on the market as far as articulations and > > velocity layers. It is also only $99.00 > > > > Here are a couple of demos... > > > > > http://www.donniechristianstudios.com/mp3demos/PeterOboe.mp3 > > > > This one has the oboe as well as some of the other > > woodwinds an the cello... > > > > > http://www.donniechristianstudios.com/mp3demos/EndofTime.mp3 --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, jonathan gibson <bassballjg@y...> wrote: > > Do these actually exist? Yes, as a matter of fact there is a free oboe demo (in Kontakt) on my website that you are welcome to download if you like. Donnie

Donnie wrote: >Hi! You might want to check out our oboe as well. It is the most >extensively sampled >oboe on the market as far as articulations and velocity layers. Is it more extensive than the oboes in the Vienna Symphonic Library?

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Colin Shapiro <musos@i...> wrote: > Donnie wrote: > > >Hi! You might want to check out our oboe as well. It is the most > >extensively sampled > >oboe on the market as far as articulations and velocity layers. > > Is it more extensive than the oboes in the Vienna Symphonic Library? Nope, the VSL French Oboe is $295 and has anywhere from 1-4 velocities max. Mine is $99.00 and has up to 16! Donnie

Hi Pete.I don't see any legal issue in a third party developement of periphials.It is not an item that takes the program an mutates it.The third party would not exist without the original item(app.)..I think that Co.s can only welcome third party developers so that their product becomes not only more"mass friendly",but also the name gets around FREE.You can't write a book about say OSX without the title.Otherwise no one would know what the book was about or for that matter were to look for the book. >> >>Here's a sticky one..Say I have a CD and choose to,instead of numbers to specify tracks use..A sample from one of the samplers I use on the track to denote the song..So the third track would be called c1 and the sample from the verse keyboard is played til decay to zero..Say that is done 10 times for ten tracks..Were is that in regards to ownership..It's the sample used in the track but presented as a track marker.. >> >>So the question is?Artistic freedom??I am doing an artistic thing in my mind.And I am using the sample in the song..So if one is copyright infringement then how could it be the other is not..I state them both to be liscenced under artistic freedom..Who's to say otherwise..Opens a wonderful can of worms.. >> >> Actually I've been hoping for some time now that an Artist would have some patches stuck on the end of their CD or in a computer file as some discs have extras.Why not make it more of a total experience for your fans.Ecspecially when it comes to electronic music.It would be great to have a CD extra from the chemical bros that shows even a Quiktime snippet of them working something up..I can't see it breaking the bank with the technology as advanced and easy to use..Maybe someone will start..Then things will get interesting..Just a dream but I feel it more then valid..What do you think??And thanks for the reply.Hope this finds you well and inspired..T