Julie Larson wrote: > Thanks Ned...I'm in 6.4.2. All previously saved versions are corrupt ; > ( May I STRONGLY recommend you save each and every part in that song as a MIDI file? Seriously, better do that before you might not be able to load it anymore at all. Funny thing is, up to this day I NEVER had a corrupted song file at all. But then, I'm still mainly on Windows and even back when both platforms were running the same versions these things seemed to happen quite more often on Macs. I remember "fixing" some song files for Mac users back then. - Sascha

I¹d love to have a copy of your bagpipe samples too, I¹ve got a project which I need bagpipes for. Thanks, Gordon On 30/11/04 5:56 pm, "Charles Lucy" <lucy@...> wrote: > I had the same problem a few months ago, and managed to get some pretty > lame examples gratis, which I put into exs format. > I can email them to you if you wish, if I can still find them on one of > my drives. > Do you want me to search? > > > On 30 Nov 2004, at 16:36, Eli Krantzberg wrote: > >> > >> > Hi All, >> > >> > Does anyone know where I can get a hold of some (free) bagpipe samples >> > online? >> > >> > >> > -------- >> > Eli Krantzberg >> > http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com >> > Almat Productions >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________ >> > EXS* Users Group >> > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ >> > - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ >> > - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ---------- > > Charles Lucy - lucy@... > ------------ Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning ------- > for information on LucyTuning go to: http://www.lucytune.com > for LucyTuned Lullabies go to http://www.lullabies.co.uk > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > EXS* Users Group > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ > - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129bacj8u/M=296572.5585671.6651487.3001176/D =grou > ps/S=1705017563:HM/EXP=1101923954/A=2343726/R=0/SIG=12i8fsgi3/*http://clk.at dm > t.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1101837554491892> Get > unlimited calls to U.S./Canada > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129bacj8u/M=296572.5585671.6651487.3001176/D =grou > ps/S=1705017563:HM/EXP=1101923954/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12i8fsgi3/*http://clk.at dm > t.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1101837554491892> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>; . >

Le 1 déc. 04, à 07:39, exs-users@yahoogroups.com a écrit : > From: Charles Lucy <lucy@...> > Subject: Re: Bagpipe samples?? The samples bounce by email, so I'll > put them on a site and send you the url to get them. > > > On 30 Nov 2004, at 18:49, Eli Krantzberg wrote: > >> >> >> On Nov 30, 2004, at 12:56 PM, Charles Lucy wrote: >> >>> I had the same problem a few months ago, and managed to get some pretty >>> lame examples gratis, which I put into exs format. >>> I can email them to you if you wish, if I can still find them on one >>> of my drives. Do you want me to search? >>> -- I would be also intersted in ;-) (and curious of it in the same time, as I'm a piper myself) Thanks Gérald Ryckeboer ryckeboerg@... http://ryckeboerg.free.fr

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Andris Sice <hasice@b...> wrote: > > I'm reposting this with the correct subject line. > > > > > I installed LP7 a few days ago. It's working fine but now I'd like to > > relocate the EXS samples to another (non boot) drive. After installing > > 7 directly over the top of 6.4.1 all I see in the Applications folder > > is icons for the LP7 and Waveburner apps themselves and the Logic 6 > > Series folder that was there before. I presume this means the EXS > > samples from LP7 have gone in to the Logic 6 Series folder? How could > > I > > check? Is there a sample that's unique to 7? > > > > I could move them in the obvious way but what do I need to do to > > ensure > > the EXS finds them? The location in L7 is library/application support/logic This where the sampler instruments folder (or an alias pointing to it) needs to be. You can put the samples folder wherever you want, they should be found as long as they are on a drive that is connected to your computer. If you you move them it may help to run a scan in project manager. Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Pete Thomas wrote: > You can put the samples folder wherever you want, they should be found > as long as they are on a drive that is connected to your computer. If > you you move them it may help to run a scan in project manager. Not sure whether this has changed in L7, but in previous versions the EXS preferences offered an option about where to search for your samples - so it's not allways systemwide. One might have to check for that preference. Anyways, in case you move a LOT of samples, I'd highly recommend EXS manager to reassign them way more quickly than loading them one by one or scanning them with the Project Manager would ever be able to. - Sascha

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@g...> wrote: > Pete Thomas wrote: > > You can put the samples folder wherever you want, they should be found > > as long as they are on a drive that is connected to your computer. If > > you you move them it may help to run a scan in project manager. > > Not sure whether this has changed in L7, but in previous versions the EXS > preferences offered an option about where to search for your samples - so > it's not allways systemwide. One might have to check for that preference. > > Anyways, in case you move a LOT of samples, I'd highly recommend EXS manager > to reassign them way more quickly than loading them one by one or scanning > them with the Project Manager would ever be able to. > > - Sascha The search option is there in L7. I now have a tutorial on unravelling the mystery of Logic 7 folder structure: http://www.petethomas.co.uk/logic-apple-pro-7.html Pete Thomas - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Just had a look. If I understand correctly, at least for Old Lady, real time pedaling is notsupported in EXS. Does this mean that if you load an EXS instance, you can't play normally through a controller using the pedal? If so, sounds like a serious limitation. Or maybe I'm not understanding correctly. I presently use the East-West Steinway. Has anyone on this list used Ivory? I'm not sure if it's available as EXS,but if not, I'm not sure how you'd use it in Logic. If anyone has used Ivory and Emperor/Old Lady, would there be any comparisons out there? Cheers, Larry Dr L's Music accompanying - arranging - composition - lessons - live performance CD production - from backup piano to full band with vocals Check out the pop epic Cupid 911:  http://www.cupid911.com or http:// www.cdbaby.com/cd/drllilarose Listen to Dr L's internet radio station: http://www.live365.com/stations/dr_l_             &nbs p;   --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Tom Harrer <tomh_lists@y...> wrote: > > The group buy is at: > http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26687&page=1&pp =10 > > > Tom

Larry, > for Old Lady, real time pedaling is not > supported in EXS. > Does this mean that if you load an EXS instance, you can't play normally > through a > controller using the pedal? If so, sounds like a serious limitation. Or > maybe I'm not > understanding correctly. What's your definition of playing normally? If you're looking for half-pedaling, no I don't think that it's supported. But regular on-off pedaling is said to work just fine. > Has anyone on this list used Ivory? I'm not sure if it's available as EXS, > but if not, I'm not > sure how you'd use it in Logic. Ivory comes in it's own AU plug-in format, just like other plugins. You load it just like any other individual plugin. I don't own either yet, but this is the info that I've been given. Regards, -Mark

After reading Michiel Post's directions on Northern Sounds, I used EXSManager to clean up my EXS directory and can now play The Old Lady piano: WHOA! What a beautiful piano. All I can say is, if you're hesitating about jumping on the Post Piano group buy... don't! You won't be disappointed. Ned ____ http://nedfx.com __/_/ N e d B o u h a l a s s a /˜/˜˜˜˜˜˜ ned@... ˜˜˜˜

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote: > Hello gang, > > I received the EXS24 version of The Old Lady Piano today, and I've got > good and bad feelings. Good because it looks like a killer piano, bad > because I can't hear it! It seems that even for the 16 bit version, 2 > Gb of ram is not enough?!!! I was under the impression that 2Gb was > enough for the lower bit version...> > My setup: Dual 2Ghz, 2Gb of RAM, OS 10.3.5, Logic 7. > Ok, I'm a bit confused/concerned. I was getting ready to plunk down my cash for both of the group buys, but needing 2 Gig's to play? That's a limitation. I've got a fairly fast PC (2.8Ghz, 1 Gig Ram, separate audio drives (SATA))... Is anyone successfully running this in EXS with 1 Gig or do I need to fork over for another Gig (not that I mind, speed is everything in this game). I just haven't needed to spend that money on ram yet, even with a fairly complex system, this would make me do it ;-*( Reid aka Bodie of Make Some Noize

The messy samples and bits that I had have been put up at: http://www.lucytune.com/BagPipeStuff/ Help yourselves, no guarantees given nor implied;-) The problem is that you need to separate the drone and the melody, so that the drone remains constant pitch as the melody changes + the strange start, end, and squwaks (sp). Maybe a separate audio track for each sound could be the answer? But they are all mixed up on the audio that I found. There seems to be a Bagpipe in Cameleon5000, but I have yet to play with it. I had got some of these samples from Andy and some I found. I was using it for a theatrical farce with a waltz, live performance of "On The Razzle"; so the fact that my mix was less than authentic was appropriate as it was intended to stimulate laughter. >> On 1 Dec 2004, at 09:25, G.ROSS wrote: > > I’d love to have a copy of your bagpipe samples too, I’ve got a project > which I need bagpipes for. Thanks, > > Gordon > > On 30/11/04 5:56 pm, "Charles Lucy" <lucy@...> wrote: > >> I had the same problem a few months ago, and managed to get some >> pretty >> lame examples gratis, which I put into exs format. >> I can email them to you if you wish, if I can still find them on one >> of >> my drives. >> Do you want me to search? >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2004, at 16:36, Eli Krantzberg wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Does anyone know where I can get a hold of some (free) bagpipe >>>> samples >>>> online? >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Eli Krantzberg >>>> http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com >>>> Almat Productions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> EXS* Users Group >>>> - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>> - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ >>>> - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ >>>> - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> ---------- >> >> Charles Lucy - lucy@... >> ------------ Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning ------- >> for information on LucyTuning go to: http://www.lucytune.com >> for LucyTuned Lullabies go to http://www.lullabies.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> EXS* Users Group >> - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ >> - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ >> - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> >> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129bacj8u/ >> M=296572.5585671.6651487.3001176/D=grou >> ps/S=1705017563:HM/EXP=1101923954/A=2343726/R=0/SIG=12i8fsgi3/*http:/ >> /clk.atdm >> t.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1101837554491892> >> Get >> unlimited calls to U.S./Canada >> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129bacj8u/ >> M=296572.5585671.6651487.3001176/D=grou >> ps/S=1705017563:HM/EXP=1101923954/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12i8fsgi3/*http:/ >> /clk.atdm >> t.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1101837554491892> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> * To visit your group on the web, go to: >> * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/ >> * >> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> * exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> >> * >> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service >> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>; . >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > EXS* Users Group > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ > - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > ---------- Charles Lucy - lucy@... ------------ Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning ------- for information on LucyTuning go to: http://www.lucytune.com for LucyTuned Lullabies go to http://www.lullabies.co.uk ---------- Charles Lucy - lucy@... ------------ Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning ------- for information on LucyTuning go to: http://www.lucytune.com for LucyTuned Lullabies go to http://www.lullabies.co.uk

Had a listen to the samples. The bagpipes do represent a pretty tricky challenge. I can't think of a way to go about separating the tune from the drone, even if I had a willing piper to work with. Any ideas anyone? If we can come up with a possible solution I might give it a go, G

Then maybe you would like to play us some decent samples and put them up on the net for everyone to enjoy;-) Maybe you have some good ideas of how to pitch change the melody without simultaneously changing the drone or sampling every single note at every level. On 1 Dec 2004, at 09:38, Gérald RYCKEBOER wrote: > > > > > Le 1 déc. 04, à 07:39, exs-users@yahoogroups.com a écrit : > >> From: Charles Lucy <lucy@...> >> Subject: Re: Bagpipe samples?? The samples bounce by email, so I'll >> put them on a site and send you the url to get them. >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2004, at 18:49, Eli Krantzberg wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 30, 2004, at 12:56 PM, Charles Lucy wrote: >>> >>>> I had the same problem a few months ago, and managed to get some >>>> pretty >>>> lame examples gratis, which I put into exs format. >>>> I can email them to you if you wish, if I can still find them on >>>> one >>>> of my drives. Do you want me to search? >>>> > -- > > I would be also intersted in ;-) (and curious of it in the same time, > as I'm a piper myself) > Thanks > > > Gérald Ryckeboer > > ryckeboerg@... > http://ryckeboerg.free.fr > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > EXS* Users Group > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ > - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > ---------- Charles Lucy - lucy@... ------------ Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning ------- for information on LucyTuning go to: http://www.lucytune.com for LucyTuned Lullabies go to http://www.lullabies.co.uk

I ll put my thinking cap on, but won t your neighbors disagree with the recording ? :) > > > Had a listen to the samples. The bagpipes do represent a pretty tricky > challenge. I can't think of a way to go about separating the tune from the > drone, even if I had a willing piper to work with. Any ideas anyone? If we > can come up with a possible solution I might give it a go, > > G

Well guys, wouldn t be much easier to create 2 instruments, one for the drone, the other for the melody ? No problem in studio, and if you play live, simply create a zone split on 2 different chanel. Or maybe I haven t understood the question correctly..... > > > Maybe you have some good ideas of how to pitch change the melody > without simultaneously changing the drone or sampling every single note > at every level. >

The problem is how do you make bagpipes play without the drones? I don¹t think you can play the pipes without the drones and I don¹t think you can play the drones without the chanter. The chanter on its own sounds nothing like the pipes. G On 1/12/04 4:19 pm, "Gramophone" <gramophone@...> wrote: > Well guys, wouldn t be much easier to create 2 instruments, one for the > drone, the other for the melody ? > No problem in studio, and if you play live, simply create a zone split on2 > different chanel. > > Or maybe I haven t understood the question correctly..... >> > >> > >> > Maybe you have some good ideas of how to pitch change the melody >> > without simultaneously changing the drone or sampling every single note >> > at every level. >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > EXS* Users Group > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ > - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129gl22k2/M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D =grou > ps/S=1705017563:HM/EXP=1102004389/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*http://www.ne tf > lix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>; . >

> I ll put my thinking cap on, but won t your neighbors disagree with the > recording ? :) >> >> >> Had a listen to the samples. The bagpipes do represent a pretty tricky >> challenge. I can't think of a way to go about separating the tune from the >> drone, even if I had a willing piper to work with. Any ideas anyone? If we >> can come up with a possible solution I might give it a go, >> >> G There is a pretty decent bagpipe set from Bolder Sounds http://www.boldersounds.com/index.asp, but it is for Kurzweil. I just emailed them to see if they plan to do an EXS port of the library. I've tried but get too many glitches using Translator and CDXtract, so I still have to use it in the old K2500RS. James

> > The problem is how do you make bagpipes play without the drones? I don¹t > think you can play the pipes without the drones and I don¹t think you can > play the drones without the chanter. Corks? ;) > The chanter on its own sounds nothing like the pipes. > > G Again, the Bolder Sounds set works pretty well for this with the chanter separated off from the drones. The idea is you play the chanter as you would the real chanter with the grace notes, trills, etc with your right hand as you hold down the drones key with your left hand on your keyboard. It's not perfect as the nuances of the instrument are many. I've never been enchanted by even the best real, live solo bagpipe. It seems to me to be an instrument that sounds best in a group, e.g. a Scottish Highlands bagpipe troupe. I've found you can improve the sound of a sampled BP by adding a bit of oboe to the chanter line, and a square wave analog synth patch to the drones - not 100% organic, but works pretty well in a track. James

It s got to be possible, because the world wind library got some separate samples. Wouldn t be possible to block the air flow with fabric ? I did a similar thing on a guitar few years ago to be able to record some off the wall harmonics without getting the other strings rersonance kicking in. Took some time to properly postion the damper without affecting the playing, but the end result was flawless. Off course, in this case, I know little about the bagpipes, but I would have to imagine that there is a different pipe for all the different sound, no ? If so, disabling all but one (muting, damping, whatever you want to name it) will let you do some solo recording. If my theory doesn t cut it, can you tell me why in details, I m always curious about instrument mechanics. Louis > > The problem is how do you make bagpipes play without the drones? I don¹t > think you can play the pipes without the drones and I don¹t think you can > play the drones without the chanter. The chanter on its own sounds nothing > like the pipes. > > G >

> Maybe you have some good ideas of how to pitch change the melody > without simultaneously changing the drone or sampling every single note > at every level. Nothing easier than that (assuming you'd sample the melody and drone parts separately). Just split the sample zones and you're done. Or do I get something completely wrong? Hold on, there's another method: In case you want the drone to be autotriggered, you just set the range all over the keyboard and activate "Disable Pitch". - Sascha

Had exactly the same problem - am trying to find the same answer!! G4 Dual 1.42ghs 1GB Os 10.3.6 L 6 Gareth Hemmings On 1/12/04 6:39 am, "exs-users@yahoogroups.com" <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > From: Ned Bouhalassa <ned@...> > Subject: The Old Lady Piano > > Hello gang, > > I received the EXS24 version of The Old Lady Piano today, and I've got > good and bad feelings. Good because it looks like a killer piano, bad > because I can't hear it! It seems that even for the 16 bit version, 2 > Gb of ram is not enough?!!! I was under the impression that 2Gb was > enough for the lower bit version. Also, I tried loading the down pedal > version only, and I got a message telling that EXS can't find the first > sample, A0. Is anyone successfully using The Old Lady in Logic, and if > so, how much ram do you have, and where have you placed the 2 folders > named, "OLD LADY final compressed.wve", and "old lady release.wve"?* > > My setup: Dual 2Ghz, 2Gb of RAM, OS 10.3.5, Logic 7. > > Thanks > > > ____ http://nedfx.com __/_/ > N e d B o u h a l a s s a > /˜/˜˜˜˜˜˜ ned@... ˜˜˜˜ > --

Have copied the response I got from LUG Gareth: --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Gareth Hemmings <ghemmings@b...> wrote: > Just received my EXS Old Lady from the Northern Sounds group buy. Anyone > else get this and load it successfully? I copied the .exs files to the > Logic exs file and put all the samples with my other samples on mysecond > drive just like I have done with all my other exs instruments but when I > call up the old lady files it can¹t the .wav files. This has never been a > prob before (and I ran project manager to resolve links etc). Have I missed > something obvious? In the documentation it talks about using stuffit to > expand files, although there were no stuffit expandable files on the disc. > Would be interested to know whether anyone else has managed to do this ok. > Thanks in advance I had this problem when I got the Old Lady a couple of weeks ago. I could not solve it with project manager so I emailed Michiel and he sent a new DVD which did have sit files. This one worked fine. BTW I have uploaded an environment which gets the Old Lady pedal noise to work with the sustain pedal. Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Gareth, I just posted this morning about a solution that worked for me - did you not read it? Begin forwarded message: > After reading Michiel Post's directions on Northern Sounds, I used > EXSManager to clean up my EXS directory and can now play The Old Lady > piano. If you want the details, go here and scroll half-way down the page: http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?p=226754 On Dec 1, 2004, at 14:40, Gareth Hemmings wrote: > Had exactly the same problem - am trying to find the same answer!! > ____ http://nedfx.com __/_/ N e d B o u h a l a s s a /˜/˜˜˜˜˜˜ ned@... ˜˜˜˜

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On 01/12/2004, at 8:44 PM, Pete Thomas wrote: > The location in L7 is library/application support/logic > > This where the sampler instruments folder (or an alias pointing to it) > needs to be. and Sacha Frank wrote: > > Anyways, in case you move a LOT of samples, I'd highly recommend EXS > manager to reassign them way more quickly than loading them one by one or > scanning them with the Project Manager would ever be able to. Thanks a lot Pete and Sascha, exactly the info I needed. Andris