--- In exs-users@y..., thomas kerschbaum <ba301006@a...> wrote: > Hi > it's a mac feature! > only Mac! > Regards > Thomas > > Mikael Adle wrote: > > >> Ouch! That really sucks. It is the main reason I bought the EXS and Bl= ows > >> away Unity's similar ability. I can usually build full-keyboard drum k= its > > > > in > > > >> 10 minutes or less using the Chromatic Import in Load Multiple Samples= . You > >> need to raise a war cry on this issue. That would be a major jip! > > > > > > > > Yea! > > I allready wrote emagic about this. It would be nice if anyone using LA= WP > > could confirm this, or maybe it´s just a "Gold" bug. > > > > Grrr > > Mikael Adle I thought multiple sample load feature was only available in ver 4.6.1 and = up - might be wirth upgrading if you haven't done so yet?? Mike > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com

When you add a list of samples to be imported chromatically in windows, the last sample added goes to the top of the list and hence the lowest key/pitch - this is upside down surely? ie a list of samples created by recycle would be added in an order which would be unplayable by the midifile (ascending pitch). It is fine (ie as i would expect!) on the Mac Hmmm..... Mike

I'm interested in purchasing some more sampled instruments for the EXS24. With only a single SampleCell CD, I have no experience with the alternatives. I like the fact that the SampleCell CD has multiple velocity ranges for the keys. 1. My interest is in acoustic instruments. Of the sample formats available for importing, which is best for providing realism? 2. Are there some preferred vendors which provide top quality samples (well, maybe not top quality, I'm only an amatuer - possibly my criteria should be 'best bang for the buck'). Thanks, Les Caudle

I have the EXS24 sampler for LAWP. I may want to crossgrade it to VST when it is being released since I also use Paris a lot. What will I miss? Will everything work the same way inside other sequensers? -- Arvid Solvang http://www.viagram.no/

The VST version only does playback. It is not an editor. You can design the samples in logic and play them in Paris if that's your goal (at least that should work in theory). -Jer > From: "Arvid Solvang" <arvid@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:22:23 +0200 > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [exs] VST vs native > > I have the EXS24 sampler for LAWP. > I may want to crossgrade it to VST when it is being released since I also > use Paris a lot. > > What will I miss? > Will everything work the same way inside other sequensers? > > -- > Arvid Solvang > http://www.viagram.no/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

I should qualify by saying this is what I heard from an e-magic rep. Seems pretty watered down and perhaps I'm wrong. But that's what I hear. -Jer > The VST version only does playback. It is not an editor. You can design the > samples in logic and play them in Paris if that's your goal (at least that > should work in theory). -Jer

Hi Les, I'm interested in purchasing some more sampled instruments for the EXS24. With only a single SampleCell CD, I have no experience with the alternatives. I like the fact that the SampleCell CD has multiple velocity ranges for the keys. 1. My interest is in acoustic instruments. Of the sample formats available for importing, which is best for providing realism? Well, it doesn't really matter too much. Samples are samples (with the exception that higher bit-rates and sample rates may give you a more realistic sound). Most sample CD's I believe contain 16-bit 44.1 kHz samples (with the odd one at 16-bit 48 kHz). Where the differences are is in the specific sampler's synthesis engine and dacs. 2. Are there some preferred vendors which provide top quality samples (well, maybe not top quality, I'm only an amatuer - possibly my criteria should be 'best bang for the buck'). Well, each format is specific to the sampler format. If you're looking for best bang for the buck, obviously it would be a native format exs-24. However, if you have any other samplers, it may be most advisable to go with the Akai format since exs-24 can directly import Akai format CD's. It also allows you to keep your library if you move to a new sampler in the future. Almost every sampler manufacturer (software and hardware) provides Akai import capabilities. For absolute top quality, I would recommend Ilio (www.ilio.com). Almost every sample CD I've heard from them is playable right out of the box and their quality is top-notch. They distribute sample CD Roms of their own as well as Spectrasonics and Sonic Reality. The Spectrasonics and Ilio stuff is what I've heard the most from and is really top-notch. IMHO, it isn't much more expensive than other sample CD Roms with the difference being that their sounds are much, much better for my ears. There are other companies too though like East West (www.soundsonline.com), Sampleheads (www.sampleheads.com), and Big Fish Audio (www.bigfishaudio.com). East West has a huge selection of CD Roms. They have their share of duds IMHO but also some really fantastic stuff. They sell the Quantum Leap Brass CD Rom set which is really excellent. Other notable CD's that they sell are Advanced Orchestra collection and Pure Guitars. IMHO, when you spend the money on better sample CD Roms, you'll get the best quality. It all depends on how high a quality you require. Personally, I would rather have a smaller CD collection with great sounds than a large one with sounds that I am never quite happy with. What kinds of sounds are you looking for? If you're looking for realistic orchestral sounds, you'll be spending lots of $$$ as these sets typically cost lots of money. Some sets can run you a few thousand dollars with the average set costing around $1,000. You can spend less but it won't be as realistic usually. The nice thing is that most of the time, you can buy each CD one at a time. For example, if you need better brass than you currently have, buy just the Brass CD from the Adv. Orch set. Then, when you can afford it, buy the Woodwinds. Most CD Roms cost anywhere from $200-400 US with CD sets costing anywhere from $600-1000. Anyway, the above companies are the ones I would recommend. Most have online demos that you can listen to so that you can have some sort of sense as to what the library is all about. Oh well, I've probably rambled on enough now. Check them out and when you have specific sounds that you're looking for, feel free to ask. I've heard many of these first-hand through friends who own them or CD's that I personally have bought. HTH, Fernando

Does anyone know if companies like Ilio are making EXS24 CDs? I get nervous when looking to spend $200 on an Akai CD and not knowing if it will import very well. I know EXS isn't the only sampler with this problem, but it still stinks. Ilio makes such great CDs. Regards, Mark

Hi Mark, Does anyone know if companies like Ilio are making EXS24 CDs? I get nervous when looking to spend $200 on an Akai CD and not knowing if it will import very well. I know EXS isn't the only sampler with this problem, but it still stinks. Ilio makes such great CDs. I do know that EastWest (www.soundsonline.com) do. I believe that only a few titles are available from them in exs-24 format. Ilio are aware of the exs-24 at the very least. However, you may want to give them a call in regards to if they have exs-specific CD Roms. I agree with you that their quality is second to none. I just ordered the Kirk Hunter Virtuoso String Library in E-mu format (for my E-5000 Ultra). It is excellent, especially in terms of playability. Lots of real-time control for expressive playing without having to set up special sequence arrangements as in some other libraries I have tried. If it were me, I would not get an exs-24 native format CD Rom unless it was something like drums where you need less programming. From the little that I have dug into the exs-24, it is not as powerful synthesis-wise as my E-5000 Ultra (nor would I expect it to be - but maybe in future versions). AFAIK, CDXtract and Translator both now translate directly to exs-24 formats. I would spend the money on getting a conversion tool (these will convert parameters and not only samples) to help convert your libraries to exs-24. Akai format seems to be the most universal and, if you don't have another sampler, I would probably go with that. However, I understand your desire to get a native version that you don't need to convert or do any extra work with. HTH, Fernando

At 12:05 AM 05/30/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know if companies like Ilio are making EXS24 CDs? I asked them that directly recently, and they said they were satisfied with the import options and had no plans to create native EXS24 disks. Bummer.

Wouldn't the fact that Ilio bundled a demo with EXS point to their plans to support the format ? Dave Eager Mark_L_Holloway@... wrote: > Does anyone know if companies like Ilio are making EXS24 CDs? I get > nervous when looking to spend $200 on an Akai CD and not knowing if > it will import very well. I know EXS isn't the only sampler with > this problem, but it still stinks. Ilio makes such great CDs. > > Regards, > Mark > > >

I looked at their catalog and they aren't providing any EXS versions :( David Eager wrote: > Wouldn't the fact that Ilio bundled a demo with EXS point to their > plans > to support the format ? > > Dave Eager > > Mark_L_Holloway@... wrote: > > > Does anyone know if companies like Ilio are making EXS24 CDs? I get > > > nervous when looking to spend $200 on an Akai CD and not knowing if > > it will import very well. I know EXS isn't the only sampler with > > this problem, but it still stinks. Ilio makes such great CDs. >

I have an idea and I don't know if it's good or bad, but maybe you guys can shed some light. It's a little more off topic than I would normally post here, but I am apologizing in advance. I own a MOTU Firewire 828 and I'm considering a MOTU 24i PCI which would give me 32 analog inputs. Can I just plug my outboard gear directly into these two modules, assign the various inputs to channels on the Logic mixer, and take advantage of Logic's real time effects? I can assign all the inputs to output L&R Monitor on the Firewire 828. My biggest concern is how much strain this puts on the CPU. For reverb and delay I assume it's wise to use AUX SENDS. But using compressors on inserts would be sweet. But if I press a note on my synth and it has to go through the MOTU -> COMPUTER -> BACK OUT THE MOTU, will there be major latency? I have a Powermac G4/450 with 1GB ram. Thanks for listening.. Regards, Mark

I'm looking for drum-sets incuding <rimshots/clickshots/different cymbal and hi-hat-attacks/sticks/mallets/brushes> and variations like these on as well snare and toms. The usual sets are very basic without a great deal of soundvariations like I mentioned. I'm not sure if the Wizoo-sets included these sound? Anyone has experience with this one? Bob

-----Original Message----- From: HELP@... <HELP@...> >The VST version only does playback. It is not an editor. You can design the >samples in logic and play them in Paris if that's your goal (at least that >should work in theory). -Jer Will it still be sampleaccurate or is that Logic only? EXS24 is actually only a sample player since you have to record into logic anyway and then import it to the EXS24. If you could record audio straight into the EXS24 it would be a sampler, but hey...I don't care much about that.... Can it only playback already made instruments and it can't edit anything on them? Isn't the instrument editor window in it at all? If that's it than it's a major drawback and I wouldn't even consider buying it... -- Arvid Solvang http://www.viagram.no/

Hi, Arvid wrote, Will it still be sampleaccurate or is that Logic only? I believe that it is sample accurate as well but I'm not 100% sure. EXS24 is actually only a sample player since you have to record into logic anyway and then import it to the EXS24. If you could record audio straight into the EXS24 it would be a sampler, but hey...I don't care much about that.... Can it only playback already made instruments and it can't edit anything on them? Isn't the instrument editor window in it at all? You got it. I don't think most exs-24 users or potential ones are too worried about it being able to do its own sampling. However, the lack of an editor for the non-logic version I believe will be a major influence on how many are sold. I don't know why Emagic have decided to release it this way or just how much editing will be available. However, with other VSTi softsamplers on the market, would you choose the exs-24 if you didn't use Logic Audio? I would, myself, urge Emagic to release it with the full capability that it has for Logic. I suspect their reasons are more due to software piracy than anything else. If that's it than it's a major drawback and I wouldn't even consider buying it... I already own it and, after having used it for a brief period, I would probably buy it. However, if I didn't own Logic and was going to use it in one of the other sequencers, I don't know if I would invest the money into it when there are other softsamplers that do a similar job but yet allow full editing of their instruments. I plan on giving Emagic some feedback when I've used it enough and this is going to be one of the points I'll be making. All in all though, I'm really enjoying using the exs-24 and exploring its capabilities. It is going to come in extremely handy for my sequencing. I used to use an MPC2000XL as my main drum sample player (as well as my main sequencer for live use) sometimes just playing back samples and other times as a master with Logic synced to it (to take advantage of its special timing). With the sample accuracy and ease of use in Logic Audio, I have changed this. My MPC will pretty much only ever see action now for live gigs and I'll be using the exs-24 for all my drum needs. Once I upgrade my PC later this year (waiting for LAWP 5.0 and MP support), I can easily see myself being able to do entire songs by simply using my computer and softsamps and softsynths. It's a great time to be making music :-) Regards, Fernando

-----Original Message----- From: Fernando Vicente <fvicente@...> >I already own it and, after having used it for a brief period, I would >probably buy it. I also own the Logic version, but I would never buy the VST version if it doesn't contain a sample editor. -- Arvid Solvang http://www.viagram.no/

Hi Bob, I'm looking for drum-sets incuding <rimshots/clickshots/different cymbal and hi-hat-attacks/sticks/mallets/brushes> and variations like these on as well snare and toms. The usual sets are very basic without a great deal of soundvariations like I mentioned. I'm not sure if the Wizoo-sets included these sound? Anyone has experience with this one? I have to admit that, while many people like the Wizoo sets, I wasn't all that impressed with them. My favorite drum samples come from Burning Grooves (Ilio) and Peter Erskine (Sampleheads). There are other good ones around too but I like these particular sets. There are brushes on the Burning Grooves and one CD is dedicated to looped grooves. The Peter Erskine is probably more useful to you. There are many kits on BG that have been sampled with reverb. While they sound good, I prefer to have samples that are dry or at most have room ambience in them. Sometimes adding the right amount of reverb to the room ambience really sounds nice and alive. The demo from Pure Drums (Yellow Tools) sounds excellent but I have not heard this samples on their own yet so I can't vouch for them. There are other sets of notable mention too but I thought that I would mention a couple of the ones I like. There are some people who like the New York City Drumworks CD's. Personally, I don't care for them. Keep in mind that these are personal choice and entirely up to your taste. What I like may not be exactly what you like. I would recommend trying them out for yourself at your dealer or at the very least, listen to the online demos. HTH, Fernando

That is precisely my point. > Can it only playback already made instruments and it can't edit anything on > them? > Isn't the instrument editor window in it at all? > > If that's it than it's a major drawback and I wouldn't even consider buying > it... > > -- > Arvid Solvang > http://www.viagram.no/ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

> Arvid wrote, > Will it still be sampleaccurate or is that Logic only? VST is not sample accurate. Therefore, I think not.

Hi Oops! Sorry, my last post wasn't formatted correctly. I've fixed it and here it is. Hi Bob, > I'm looking for drum-sets incuding <rimshots/clickshots/different cymbal > and hi-hat-attacks/sticks/mallets/brushes> and variations like these on as > well snare and toms. The usual sets are very basic without a great deal of > soundvariations like I mentioned. I'm not sure if the Wizoo-sets included > these sound? Anyone has experience with this one? I have to admit that, while many people like the Wizoo sets, I wasn't all that impressed with them. My favorite drum samples come from Burning Grooves (Ilio) and Peter Erskine (Sampleheads). There are other good ones around too but I like these particular sets. There are brushes on the Burning Grooves and one CD is dedicated to looped grooves. The Peter Erskine is probably more useful to you. There are many kits on BG that have been sampled with reverb. While they sound good, I prefer to have samples that are dry or at most have room ambience in them. Sometimes adding the right amount of reverb to the room ambience really sounds nice and alive. The demo from Pure Drums (Yellow Tools) sounds excellent but I have not heard this samples on their own yet so I can't vouch for them. There are other sets of notable mention too but I thought that I would mention a couple of the ones I like. There are some people who like the New York City Drumworks CD's. Personally, I don't care for them. Keep in mind that these are personal choice and entirely up to your taste. What I like may not be exactly what you like. I would recommend trying them out for yourself at your dealer or at the very least, listen to the online demos. HTH, Fernando

> I have to admit that, while many people like the Wizoo sets, I wasn't all > that impressed with them. My favorite drum samples come from Burning > Grooves (Ilio) and Peter Erskine (Sampleheads). There are other good ones > around too but I like these particular sets. There are brushes on the > Burning Grooves and one CD is dedicated to looped grooves. The Peter > Erskine is probably more useful to you. There are many kits on BG that have > been sampled with reverb. While they sound good, I prefer to have samples > that are dry or at most have room ambience in them. Sometimes adding the > right amount of reverb to the room ambience really sounds nice and alive. > The demo from Pure Drums (Yellow Tools) sounds excellent but I have not > heard this samples on their own yet so I can't vouch for them. There are > other sets of notable mention too but I thought that I would mention a > couple of the ones I like. There are some people who like the New York City > Drumworks CD's. Personally, I don't care for them. Keep in mind that these > are personal choice and entirely up to your taste. What I like may not be > exactly what you like. I would recommend trying them out for yourself at > your dealer or at the very least, listen to the online demos. Thanks Fernando, Problem with most drumset is that most sounds are too obvious and differentdrum-technics (sounds) are not present, allthough very common to live-drumming. Even on most demo's is just a representation of a single pattern going on for some time without showing the possibilities (if they are present).I hope this will change in the near future. Bob

Hi, Has anyone ever converted the following Akai CD's by use of EXS's converter: Best Service's Dance Megadrums Best Service's Dance Megadrums 2 AMG's J.J. Jeczalik's the Art of Sampling Did it work? (on Mac? OS 9.1?) Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

hi, There is a small cdR called "Acoustic drums" from Soundscan...very cheap and sounds good... Igor

> There is a small cdR called "Acoustic drums" from Soundscan...very cheap and > sounds good... > Thanks, Igor Couldn.t find a link though. Any suggestions? Bob