Just wanted to tell you that the bug in the 24 bit version of the White Grand is now fixed, with the great help from Garth Hjelte at Rubber Chicken and Andrea Gozzi from Redmatica. Best, Per Larsson www.sampletekk.com

Ernst, Just wanted to thank you for the recent advice. The ground loop isolator completely solved the problem. I will definitely invest in an audio interface soon, but (for now) your suggestion fixed my setup. Thanks again! Roland

Per- That was it. It now works great. What a sweet sound! I've been using an old Kurzweil 2500 for sampled piano, and while it was good in it's day, no comparison here! I do share your frustration with EXS's inability to intelligently handle note off samples. I really couldn't use the White Grand with release samples because 1) I'm using a Korg Trinity as keyboard controller that seems to send a uniform note-off midi velocity of 64 as opposed to the actual velocity generated by my hands on the keys and 2) the EXS triggers the note offs when I let go of the keys even though I'm holding down the sustain pedal. If it's a quiet chord and I lift my hands you hear a big damper noise as the chord continues to ring out. We have been asking Emagic to fix this for some time. I wonder what's going on over there. If you read the Logic forum, you'll find that an overwhelming majority of us favor fixing all the bugs in Logic as opposed to continually cranking out new features. To date, the requests seem to be falling on deaf ears. Instead we get Logic Pro (6.4) which is identical to Logic 6.3.3 only you get all the virtual instruments which I already paid excessively for, and a new startup splash screen. If you feel ambitious, you might try writing to them and explaining how the EXS really needs this note off update if it's going to compete with the Giga Studio. I have many libraries now that use this feature, but can't be implemented correctly in the EXS. Anyway, many thanks for your efforts, I'm a very happy customer, and I plan to post (if you don't mind) a quick synopsis of the last 24 hours to the Logic and EXS forums so everybody can read a testimonial of what incredible product support looks like. Best regards, James Ryan > From: Per Larsson <per@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:04:14 +0200 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [EXS] White Grand - White Noise fixed! > > Just wanted to tell you that the bug in the 24 bit version of the White > Grand is now fixed, with the great help from Garth Hjelte at Rubber > Chicken and Andrea Gozzi from Redmatica. > > Best, > Per Larsson > www.sampletekk.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > EXS* Users Group > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ > - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Hi James. Glad that it works! Btw, the releasesamples shouldn’t sound when you have sustainpedal down! It was another small bug, and it has now been taken care of! Just visit the White Grand resource page at www.sampletekk.com <http://www.sampletekk.com/>; and download the updated White Grand.exs file. If you would like to post your opinions in the forums, I wouldn’t mind at all! Specially since they are positive!!!! Best, Per www.sampletekk.com -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: James Ryan [mailto:jeryan@...] Skickat: den 25 april 2004 21:36 Till: exs-users@yahoogroups.com Ämne: Re: [EXS] White Grand - White Noise fixed! Per- That was it. It now works great. What a sweet sound! I've been using an old Kurzweil 2500 for sampled piano, and while it was good in it's day, no comparison here! I do share your frustration with EXS's inability to intelligently handle note off samples. I really couldn't use the White Grand with release samples because 1) I'm using a Korg Trinity as keyboard controller that seems to send a uniform note-off midi velocity of 64 as opposed to the actual velocity generated by my hands on the keys and 2) the EXS triggers the note offs when I let go of the keys even though I'm holding down the sustain pedal. If it's a quiet chord and I lift my hands you hear a big damper noise as the chord continues to ring out. We have been asking Emagic to fix this for some time. I wonder what's going on over there. If you read the Logic forum, you'll find that an overwhelming majority of us favor fixing all the bugs in Logic as opposed to continually cranking out new features. To date, the requests seem to be falling on deaf ears. Instead we get Logic Pro (6.4) which is identical to Logic 6.3.3 only you get all the virtual instruments which I already paid excessively for, and a new startup splash screen. If you feel ambitious, you might try writing to them and explaining how the EXS really needs this note off update if it's going to compete with the Giga Studio. I have many libraries now that use this feature, but can't be implemented correctly in the EXS. Anyway, many thanks for your efforts, I'm a very happy customer, and I plan to post (if you don't mind) a quick synopsis of the last 24 hours to the Logic and EXS forums so everybody can read a testimonial of what incredible product support looks like. Best regards, James Ryan > From: Per Larsson <per@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:04:14 +0200 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [EXS] White Grand - White Noise fixed! > > Just wanted to tell you that the bug in the 24 bit version of the White > Grand is now fixed, with the great help from Garth Hjelte at Rubber > Chicken and Andrea Gozzi from Redmatica. > > Best, > Per Larsson > www.sampletekk.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > EXS* Users Group > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art. <http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/>; com/ > - Free legal samples: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/>; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ EXS* Users Group - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art. <http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/>; com/ - Free legal samples: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/>; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/>; _____ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/>; Yahoo! Groups Links * <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/>; To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/ * <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/>; To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * <mailto:exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

on one very special day, James Ryan at jeryan@... wrote: > Per- > That was it. It now works great. Just out of curiosity (as a passive observer of this thread); what was the solution? -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

At 07:48 PM 4/25/04 -0400, you wrote: >on one very special day, James Ryan at jeryan@... wrote: > > > Per- > > That was it. It now works great. > > >Just out of curiosity (as a passive observer of this thread); what was the >solution? An .exs file holds some information about the sample, more than just the file name, and the engine pays attention to that rather than what is in the sample. You can try this yourself - create a new .exs instrument, add a zone, and assign a 16-bit sample to that zone. Shut down EXS (and Logic or whatever) and change that sample in an sample editor to a 24-bit sample. Reopen EXS and play that original Instrument. Noise... It's because the .exs file holds bit information, and that's what the engine is instructed to recognize the sample as, regardless of the information that is in the sample. So swapping samples is not a fool-proof operation when it comes to EXS. It is with most other software samplers, but not EXS. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

on one very special day, Garth Hjelte at garth@... wrote: > swapping samples is not a fool-proof operation when it comes to EXS. It > is with most other software samplers, but not EXS. Interesting; good to know. Thanks. -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

For those who were following the string "White Grand = White Noise" over the weekend, I just wanted to post a quick synopsis of what happened because I think it deserves mention. I bought the White Grand, a very impressive virtual piano from Sampletekk, newly ported to EXS. It didn't work. It just produced white noise. I emailed Per Larsson at Sampletekk to see what could be done. I had done the sample re-link after the installation using Redmatica's ExsManager. I emailed Per personally, but my email accidentally got forwarded to the EXS forum. It was Saturday at around 5PM EST. Less than an hour later, I had received emails from Per, Andrea at Redmatica, and Garth from Rubber Chicken Software (Translator - the program I believe did the original conversion from White Grand Gigga to EXS). Not only were they in contact with me, they were in contact with each other, back and forth for hours, painstakingly trouble shooting the problem. The Europeans, Per & Andrea, from Sweden & Italy respectively were up until 2AM their time on a Saturday night working on this, (Garth is in MN so he's actually an hour earlier than me) and together they found the cause of the problem and the solution. With the jointly achieved solution, Per fixed the White Grand and posted it to my site, Andrea added a feature in EXSManager to insure the problem wouldn't happen with any future re-links and emailed me the new program. All the while, Garth communicated with them and added his digital expertise to ultimately trouble shoot and clear up the problem. I have never in my life seen this kind of product support. It was completely above and beyond the call of duty and immeasurably appreciated. We're talking bug fixing when they should have been kicking back with their friends and families and relaxing. Can you imagine this kind of attention to customer relations from Emagic? Motu? Apple? I hope they're reading this. I just want to give these guys a very well deserved plug here. Their programs are state of the art, their support is beyond anything I've seen in this business, and IMHO they deserve our support. If you own and use the EXS, these programs are a must and now you know you're in good hands if you buy them: The White Grand (piano) - Sampletekk - Per Larsson - http://www.sampletekk.com/ ExsManager - Redmatica - Andrea Gozzi - http://www.redmatica.com Translator - Rubber Chicken Software - Garth Hjelte - http://www.chickensys.com Best to all, James Ryan http://www.rampagemusic.net

> Subject: SV: [EXS] White Grand - White Noise fixed! > > Hi James. > > Glad that it works! > Btw, the releasesamples shouldn’t sound when you have sustainpedal down! > It was another small bug, and it has now been taken care of! > Just visit the White Grand resource page at www.sampletekk.com > <http://www.sampletekk.com/>; and download the updated White Grand.exs > file. Couldn't find it on your site. Could you email me an exact link to it? > If you would like to post your opinions in the forums, I wouldn’t mind > at all! Specially since they are positive!!!! Just posted a review to the Logic and EXS forums. Best, James

Btw, do you have the url to the forums where you posted this? /Per Just posted a review to the Logic and EXS forums. Best, James

Hey I just started messing arround with the Wizoo Latin Percussion 24 EXS version. But on a lot of the EXS instruments, when I load them, EXS says that it cant find some of the AIF files in the instrument. At first I thought that I forgot to copy some of the samples over but then when I searched my HD for the files it said were missing, they were already there. So then I checked the EXS instrument files to see if the Wizoo people programmed them wrong but the file names are all correct. So in the instrument editor I tried manually going through all the zones and reloading the files (even though all of them already had the correct file names) and it worked. However a lot of the instruments have tons of velocity layers (e.g. congas) and that would mean I would have to do that for like 40 or more zones per instrument. So basically my question is this: is there any way to have Logic re-search all the targeted files in an instrument? I thought it searched for the files everytime an instrument is loaded. I guess I was wrong or otherwise this shouldnt be happening. Thanks in advanced. --------- Dual 2.0Ghz G5/1.5GB RAM/Logic Plat 6.3.3

Get Redmatica's ExsManager. http://www.redmatica.com I believe (as of yesterday) the new version has a function that corrects exactly the problem you're talking about. This program is essential for any library as it drastically reduces the EXS load time, especially with big libraries. It re-links files so fast if you blink, it's done. I just bought the White Grand with over 3000 samples and who knows how many keygroups with 32 velocity layers. It relinked all files in 13 seconds. Project Manager would have taken many hours and probably not fixed the problem you're talking about here. James > From: Todd <maximillianv@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:54:40 +0000 > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [EXS] Samples on the HD not loading into Inst!!! > > Hey I just started messing arround with the Wizoo Latin Percussion 24 EXS > version. But on > a lot of the EXS instruments, when I load them, EXS says that it cant find > some of the AIF > files in the instrument. At first I thought that I forgot to copy some of the > samples over > but then when I searched my HD for the files it said were missing, they were > already there. > So then I checked the EXS instrument files to see if the Wizoo people > programmed them > wrong but the file names are all correct. So in the instrument editor I tried > manually going > through all the zones and reloading the files (even though all of them already > had the > correct file names) and it worked. However a lot of the instruments have tons > of velocity > layers (e.g. congas) and that would mean I would have to do that for like 40 > or more > zones per instrument. > > So basically my question is this: is there any way to have Logic re-search all > the targeted > files in an instrument? > > I thought it searched for the files everytime an instrument is loaded. I > guess I was wrong > or otherwise this shouldnt be happening. > > Thanks in advanced. > --------- > Dual 2.0Ghz G5/1.5GB RAM/Logic Plat 6.3.3 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > EXS* Users Group > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - EXS/Logic FAQ: http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/ > - Free legal samples: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > - To contact list admins, email exs-users-owner@yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Short of you buying that EXS Manager software which reassociates samples to zones apparently fairly quickly, or using the dead-slow project manager (I still haven't figured that thing out -- I'm new to logic 6), here is a sloppy but effective solution. It's a pain in the arse, but it works: Find just THE FIRST sample, save the EXS instrument and then, QUIT AND REBOOT LOGIC. When the EXS instrument that you just did this trick to loads in, it'll now know where all the samples are. The smart thing to do is to load in ALL the instrument you think you'll need, do the first (or any one) sample "reunion", then save ALL those instruments. Upon rebooting, they ALL should load in fine. Emagic, you REALLY need to solve this long-standing problem :-(

Thanks for both of the suggestions. I haven't tried the one where you load just the first sample. But I did download the demo of EXS Manager. It worked great. It was a little annoying that it could only do 40 instruments at a time... but hey it was free. Great software though. And the AutoSampler looks pretty interesting. Im gonna go back to re patching everything... 40 or less instruments at a time... Its a good thing I already had all my inst files meticulously (read anally) organized. It makes it way easier. Thanks again.

On Apr 26, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Todd wrote: > Thanks for both of the suggestions.  I haven't tried the one where you > load just the first > sample.  But I did download the demo of EXS Manager.  It worked > great.  It was a little > annoying that it could only do 40 instruments at a time... but hey it > was free.  Great > software though.  And the AutoSampler looks pretty interesting. Where can I find the EXS Manager? Thanks Dennis

At 10:26 PM 4/26/04 -0700, you wrote: >On Apr 26, 2004, at 9:52 PM, Todd wrote: > > > Thanks for both of the suggestions. I haven't tried the one where you > > load just the first > > sample. But I did download the demo of EXS Manager. It worked > > great. It was a little > > annoying that it could only do 40 instruments at a time... but hey it > > was free. Great > > software though. And the AutoSampler looks pretty interesting. > >Where can I find the EXS Manager? Well, www.exsmanager.com =) or www.redmatica.com Garth Hjelte Sampler User

Hello, I'm Michele Hobbs...long-time lurker, first-time poster. I am interested in an EXS24 string library that would be good for pop and R&B music. Many of the string libraries available are nice, but seem to have too much ambience because of the way they are sampled. Can someone recommend a string library that includes samples that aren't so ambient? I've read that R&B producer Rodney Jerkins is using VSL, but I can't afford that at this point. I don't want to spend 1000 USD, but if the recommended libraries are that much, then so be it. Thank you, -Michele Hobbs

Hi Michele, On Apr 27, 2004, at 1:59 AM, hobbsmichele wrote: > I'm Michele Hobbs...long-time lurker, first-time poster. Welcome! > I am interested in an EXS24 string library that would be good for pop > and R&B music.  > Many of the string libraries available are nice, but seem to have too > much ambience > because of the way they are sampled.  Can someone recommend a string > library that > includes samples that aren't so ambient?  I've read that R&B producer > Rodney Jerkins is > using VSL, but I can't afford that at this point.  I don't want to > spend 1000 USD, but if the > recommended libraries are that much, then so be it. Well, IMHO, it is not worth it to buy an older library today (older as in stuff like Advanced Orchestra) unless you like the sound and can get it cheap enough. My advice to you is to get VSL's Opus 1. It is a lower-cost version of VSL that sells for around $1000. I don't own it but the demos that I've heard sound great. It not only includes strings but the entire orchestra. Unfortunately, if you wanted to cut down the cost, you can't get the Opus 1 strings separately. It comes in a native exs-24 format so you wouldn't have any conversions to do and, since there is no natural reverb on the samples, you can get a dry sound or a very wet sound if you like. HTH, Fernstudio

> >> Thanks for both of the suggestions.  I haven't tried the one where you >> load just the first >> sample.  But I did download the demo of EXS Manager.  It worked >> great.  It was a little >> annoying that it could only do 40 instruments at a time... but hey it >> was free.  Great >> software though.  And the AutoSampler looks pretty interesting. > > Where can I find the EXS Manager? > > Thanks > Dennis http://Www.redmatica.com

In a message dated 4/27/04 3:40:08 PM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com writes: > Find just THE FIRST sample, save the EXS instrument and then, QUIT AND > REBOOT LOGIC. When the EXS instrument that you just did this trick to loads > in, it'll now know where all the samples are. The smart thing to do is to > load in ALL the instrument you think you'll need, do the first (or any one) > sample "reunion", then save ALL those instruments. Upon rebooting, they ALL > should load in fine. > > Emagic, you REALLY need to solve this long-standing problem :-( > I second that. While I think Redmatica is a wonderful piece of software I think its unfair for those that maybe CANT afford it to basically HAVE to buy it to get Logic to do what Logic should ALREADY be able to do and that is simply this: Load samples in a quick and efficient manner. I have some libraries that have had to be reinstalled so many times its rediculous... -Terry Michael www.Music4TheMovies.com

1. I'm routing the Pitch of an instrument to LFO1, NOT using the default Ctl#1 - it's on all the time. But I want to use the delay function so it fades in after a second or so. However, the starting pitch of the note - before the delay kicks in - is out of tune by the inverse amount of the "cents" parameter. For example, if I set the amount of LFO1 to +25 cents, the notes starts off playing 25 cents flat, then as the LFO fades in it comes right. Is this normal? If it is, why? 2. Between the two envelope generators are 2 sliders - one for time and one for curve (or something - not in front of the computer right now.) What do these affect? 3. EVP88 Elephant? Ian ------------------------------ Ian G. Morris - Tonewright ian@... www.igmusic.co.nz

Hi, i had a problem with my outlook, so i do not have the Digest e-Mails 1301 until this message today. Can someone send me the eml-files to tentacle@...? Thanks DJ Tentacle

Maik Rolle wrote: > i had a problem with my outlook, so i do not have the Digest e-Mails 1301 until this message today. Can someone send me the eml-files to tentacle@...? I am receiving individual mails, if you want I could send them to you if you tell me the exact date. But obviously a digest would be better... plus, I'm on Windows (which shouldn't matter too much). Sascha

Does anyone know where to find some accordion samples?

dennisgu@... wrote: > > Does anyone know where to find some accordion samples? http://www.revolvermusic.no/sounds/sounddownload/AE_Accordion1.zip