--- In exs-users@y..., "HELP@M..." <HELP@M...> wrote: > Enough already. This has become an absurd debate. To each his own. Not a debate, for some, an eye opening discussion, oh shit, what am I thinking, Logic is only a sequencer.............:)

Technodork, Thanks for bringing the conversation back to earth and with respect for your peers. You make some balanced points in these two recent e-mails. I think we can all agree that there are strengths to both setups. Cheers, Jer All users, I've been curious, does anyone know if you can run TDM along side VST in the same project? Seems like it would be possible based on what I'm seeing in the audio driver/interface window. I know that when I first got an ASIO card I could switch a track in the Mixer window to either MacAV or ASIO (as long as they were both active in the driver window), but had problems (presumably with the MacAV) with stability so I canned the idea. Still seems possible in theory. I'm imagining something like the MOTU 828 with a TDM interface tied to the Magma PCI expander, which would be connected to a PowerBook. Am I nuts? Probably!

You can slave protools clock to an Audiowerck SPDIF , the card has variable clock timing meaning it can do just as well as a Digidesign USD, you should be able to run native with protools this way, I think this will introduce some latency though.......

from the Emagic website: Logic Audio extension for TDM systems. ESB TDM allows the integration of up to 32 EXS24 units in the Aux channels of the TDM mixer. EXS24 outputs can be processed entirely within the Logic Audio Platinum MacOS TDM environment, using the ProTools DSP. Playback timing is sample accurate. The output of Logic's audio engine, including native and VST plug-ins, can be fed into the TDM mixer. ESB TDM provides the user with an unprecedented amount of control over system resources by combining the best of both native and hardware DSP processing. The ESB TDM expands on Digidesign's DirectConnect technology and further demonstrates Emagic's commitment to the TDM platform. DirectConnect is a registered trademark of Avid Technoloy, Inc., or its subsidiaries or divisions. This will create quite a few jealous PT users. They claim shipping in May. --- In exs-users@y..., "HELP@M..." <HELP@M...> wrote: > Technodork, > > Thanks for bringing the conversation back to earth and with respect for your > peers. You make some balanced points in these two recent e-mails. I think we > can all agree that there are strengths to both setups. Cheers, Jer > > > All users, > > I've been curious, does anyone know if you can run TDM along side VST in the > same project? Seems like it would be possible based on what I'm seeing in > the audio driver/interface window. I know that when I first got an ASIO card > I could switch a track in the Mixer window to either MacAV or ASIO (as long > as they were both active in the driver window), but had problems (presumably > with the MacAV) with stability so I canned the idea. Still seems possible in > theory. I'm imagining something like the MOTU 828 with a TDM interface tied > to the Magma PCI expander, which would be connected to a PowerBook. Am I > nuts? Probably!

??? What does this have to do with driving two I/Os? I'm asking whether or not you can, for example, run TDM hardware at the same time as VST/ASIO within the same project... > From: LogicBaby <basharar@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:12:03 +0400 > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [exs] PCI Expansion for Laptops / NATIVE MYTHS > > You can slave protools clock to an Audiowerck SPDIF , the card has variable > clock timing meaning it can do just as well as a Digidesign USD, you should > be able to run native with protools this way, I think this will introduce > some latency though....... > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Thanks, bro! This is exactly what I was curious about. It sounds amazing!!! > Logic Audio extension for TDM systems. > > ESB TDM allows the integration of up to 32 EXS24 units in the Aux > channels of the TDM mixer. EXS24 outputs can be processed entirely > within the Logic Audio Platinum MacOS TDM environment, using the > ProTools DSP. Playback timing is sample accurate. The output of > Logic's audio engine, including native and VST plug-ins, can be fed > into the TDM mixer. ESB TDM provides the user with an unprecedented > amount of control over system resources by combining the best of both > native and hardware DSP processing. > > The ESB TDM expands on Digidesign's DirectConnect technology and > further demonstrates Emagic's commitment to the TDM platform. > DirectConnect is a registered trademark of Avid Technoloy, Inc., or > its subsidiaries or divisions. > > This will create quite a few jealous PT users. > > They claim shipping in May. > > > --- In exs-users@y..., "HELP@M..." <HELP@M...> wrote: >> Technodork, >> >> Thanks for bringing the conversation back to earth and with respect > for your >> peers. You make some balanced points in these two recent e-mails. I > think we >> can all agree that there are strengths to both setups. Cheers, Jer >> >> >> All users, >> >> I've been curious, does anyone know if you can run TDM along side > VST in the >> same project? Seems like it would be possible based on what I'm > seeing in >> the audio driver/interface window. I know that when I first got an > ASIO card >> I could switch a track in the Mixer window to either MacAV or ASIO > (as long >> as they were both active in the driver window), but had problems > (presumably >> with the MacAV) with stability so I canned the idea. Still seems > possible in >> theory. I'm imagining something like the MOTU 828 with a TDM > interface tied >> to the Magma PCI expander, which would be connected to a PowerBook. > Am I >> nuts? Probably! > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Well before emagic comes up with the ESB/TDM thing, the solution was to run an AudioWerk Card running EASI/VST along TDM. That is what I meant....... > ??? What does this have to do with driving two I/Os? I'm asking whether or > not you can, for example, run TDM hardware at the same time as VST/ASIO > within the same project...

It should be possible, I am looking at running my MOTU 2408mkII alongside and 888/24.......... --- In exs-users@y..., LogicBaby <basharar@m...> wrote: > Well before emagic comes up with the ESB/TDM thing, the solution was to run > an AudioWerk Card running EASI/VST along TDM. That is what I meant....... > > > > > ??? What does this have to do with driving two I/Os? I'm asking whether or > > not you can, for example, run TDM hardware at the same time as VST/ASIO > > within the same project...

on 4/27/01 7:52 PM, technodork_2000@... at technodork_2000@... wrote: > It should be possible, I am looking at running my MOTU > 2408mkII alongside and 888/24.......... > That works fine. I have both ASIO and TDM running at the same time with 24 channels of lightpipe going from the 2408 to ADAT Bridges. You have to keep all the Digi stuff in the expansion chassis, and put the 2408 inside the computer. I'm very excited about ESB, but supposedly it only gives you 8 channels one way. I'm very happy with my 24 in both directions! Good luck! Kenny Blank

Where do I find the archives for the exs-users list? -- nofuture|erutufon http://www.no-future.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "machingo" <machingo@...> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:27 AM Subject: [exs] Shortcuts exs24 > Can shorcuts be assigned for the different functions of edition of the exs24? > Can you assign shorcuts only not to the edición,but no to the sampler exs24? > If I can do it > Plz tell me How > > Thanks > MaChGo > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Hi all, If u do a LOOP with the EXS at the right TEMPO... OK But if after, i want to try the same WAV on the ARRANGE WINDOW it's not the same.... and u know why..... Because EMAGIC used the AIFF audio system conversion on WAVs...U can lose few "samples"... Igor

Interesting discovery. Kind of disappointing too. -Jer > If u do a LOOP with the EXS at the right TEMPO... OK > But if after, i want to try the same WAV on the ARRANGE WINDOW it's not the > same.... > and u know why..... > Because EMAGIC used the AIFF audio system conversion on WAVs...U can lose > few "samples"... > > Igor

on 4/28/01 3:06 AM, HELP@... at HELP@... wrote: > Thanks, bro! This is exactly what I was curious about. It sounds amazing!!! > >> Logic Audio extension for TDM systems. >> >> ESB TDM allows the integration of up to 32 EXS24 units in the Aux >> channels of the TDM mixer. EXS24 outputs can be processed entirely >> within the Logic Audio Platinum MacOS TDM environment, using the >> ProTools DSP. Playback timing is sample accurate. The output of >> Logic's audio engine, including native and VST plug-ins, can be fed >> into the TDM mixer. ESB TDM provides the user with an unprecedented >> amount of control over system resources by combining the best of both >> native and hardware DSP processing. >> >> The ESB TDM expands on Digidesign's DirectConnect technology and >> further demonstrates Emagic's commitment to the TDM platform. >> DirectConnect is a registered trademark of Avid Technoloy, Inc., or >> its subsidiaries or divisions. >> >> This will create quite a few jealous PT users. >> >> They claim shipping in May. >> >> >> --- In exs-users@y..., "HELP@M..." <HELP@M...> wrote: >>> Technodork, Not so much jealous as frustrated........ but happy. It seems we are destined to share our work load between 2 apps. Maybe three. Certain features are indispensable in Logic and PT. Even if Logic 5 fixes the automation and brings it up to PT spec there is now Beat Detective to lust over. I cannot live without this .....ever. When you discover what you can do with Beat Detective you will be lobbying Emagic to copy it. The EXS isn't a deal breaker because we now have Soft Sample Cell and that will run TDM....of course. The midi spec of PT may be pathetic but it will improve and I've managed some pretty intricate looping and programming with it BUT the ability to use VST plug ins in the TDM bus will draw me back to Logic again. Then again PT has RTAS now, so we'll see what plug ins arrive in the future. It seems to me the whole TDM verses Native thing is a moot point now that PT can run TDM and RTAS. The best system is obviously both. TDM and Native running together. You're never going to beat that combination, I don't care how big your computer is. This is available right now. The other day I was mixing quite a big track and my 3 TDM cards were maxed out. Using RTAS in PTools I was still able to instantiate 2 Mc DSP Analogue Channel 2's on the master outs. Well you've got to hear those plugs to believe them. This technology that we have available to us now is quite breathtaking. Seems like we will be jumping to and fro for a while and really it's not so bad at all. Phil Buckle.

What difference would it make where the Digidesign PCI card, and the MOTU PCI card are placed? Since the MOTU is my only PCI card at the moment, I would stick the DIGI in the MAC with it also? No expansion chassis........... --- In exs-users@y..., Ken Blank <kblank@k...> wrote: > on 4/27/01 7:52 PM, technodork_2000@y... at technodork_2000@y... > wrote: > > > It should be possible, I am looking at running my MOTU > > 2408mkII alongside and 888/24.......... > > > > That works fine. I have both ASIO and TDM running at the same time with 24 > channels of lightpipe going from the 2408 to ADAT Bridges. You have to keep > all the Digi stuff in the expansion chassis, and put the 2408 inside the > computer. I'm very excited about ESB, but supposedly it only gives you 8 > channels one way. I'm very happy with my 24 in both directions! > > Good luck! > > Kenny Blank

At 10:28 PM 4/28/01 +0200, you wrote: >If u do a LOOP with the EXS at the right TEMPO... OK >But if after, i want to try the same WAV on the ARRANGE WINDOW it's not the >same.... >and u know why..... >Because EMAGIC used the AIFF audio system conversion on WAVs...U can lose >few "samples"... Why? Only a buggy program could lose samples between AIFF and RIFF. Is the system conversion buggy? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * | Garth Hjelte | | Customer Service Representative, President | | Chicken Systems, Inc, Rubber Chicken Software Co. | | 714 5th Street SE | | Willmar, MN 56201 USA | | | | 800-8-PRO-EPS Toll Free Order Line (US Only) | | 320-235-9798 Tech Support, Sampler Questions | | International Line | | 360-838-7689 Fax | | Product Sales: sales@... | | Product Support: support@... | | Sampler Q+A: qa@... | | Web Page: www.chickensys.com | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Hi all, Can we use Prg Change with the EXS ? Igor

> Where do I find the archives for the exs-users list? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/messages -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

// the samplestart slider can be modulated with controller 73 (lower) and 74 (upper). so you only need to transform cc 1 (mod weel) to cc 73 with transform and copy and again with a second transformer to cc 74 with transform only. thats all. bw. fz. //

Hi all, just wanted to reports that I have currently converted another bunch of 100 MB ZIP files on my laptop to EXS-24 format - using Chicken Systems "Translator" - and this prog really rocks!! Thanks a lot to the guys who did this excellent prog (and especially to Garth). Without doubt, in the most recent release, Translator is _the_ basic tool for conversion of Ensoniq stuff to EXS-24. All the best Thomas BTW: I am in no way related to Chicken Systems, just wanted to share my very positive feelings about Translator.

>If u do a LOOP with the EXS at the right TEMPO... OK >But if after, i want to try the same WAV on the ARRANGE WINDOW it's not the >same.... >and u know why..... >Because EMAGIC used the AIFF audio system conversion on WAVs...U can lose >few "samples"... Why? Only a buggy program could lose samples between AIFF and RIFF. Is the system conversion buggy? ******** Not at all... It's not a Conversion or a lost samples problem. It's a simple fact : The WAV include ( play) the last sample point ( in a LOOP MODE) and not the AIFF, the AIFF don't play the Last Point... example : If you have Loop who start at sample "0" and END "100" , the WAV play The Point "100" and go back from the point 0, the AIFF play till the Point "99" and go back from the Top. The EXS converts all the samples as AIFF. It's the same problem with SF2 format, the last point is not played. Igor

Hi Igor, to be honest, I do use Translator only for Ensoniq conversion. As this was my main sampler until EXS-24, I have a huge library of sounds for this device. And apart from Translator, no other vendor did IMO the approach to convert ASR-10 samples (everyone is doing Akai and Roland however :) At the moment, I did not really try other import/export formats, although Translator offers a lot of them - still for Ensoniq gear, this program rocks. For all other sampler-translations I (unfortunately) cannot speak. All the best Thomas

> BTW: I am in no way related to Chicken Systems, just wanted to share my > very positive feelings about Translator. I know the feeling. I love it too!

Thomas, what about kurzweil format.. Does the current translator imports/export that? I offered to give an hand in this, but they said they were already working in it.. So, it's months that's due out "in 2 weeks" :) Andrea

Hi Andrea, hope you are doing fine :) > Does the current translator imports/export that? I have just started my Translator version to take a look and "YES" if offers Kurzweil format. However I cannot tell you how "advanced" this conversion is as I mainly use the Ensoniq conversion at the moment. All the best and greetings from sunny Germany Thomas