--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: > On a fine day, 23-11-2003, Ned Bouhalassa wrote: > > > > On OS9 the key to hold is Option, and the trick only works with > > > checkboxes and not with other parameters. Is that any different in > > > Panther? > > > >Yeah, that works in OS 9 but not in X, as far as I can tell (Panther)... > > > >One more 'benefit' of X. > > Wow, that really sucks... The instrument editor's interface already > is pretty lame, huh? i'm sure i used that facility already in x, maybe not in panther yet though. time to doublecheck - major bummer if true. and yes, the interface in x is lame - i used to be able to hide the exs but now i have to click it away to see the editor underneath.

on one very special day, longys_wot_not_worx at longys@... wrote: > --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote: >>> The problem is, I can't get it to work with the current setup. > The problem is that the >> G4 Logic will only play the sounds from the Audio Instrument that > is currently >> selected in the Arrange window. In case any of you missed this from one of the recent LUG Digests, here is a post that details how to use a second mac as a "slave" EXS 24 player: ====================================== Message: 18 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:20:24 -0000 From: "glionelli" <glionelli@...> Subject: Re: [LAM] Using a second Mac with Logic as a sound module - GigaStudio style --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote: > Hi, > > I just purchased a G5. I'd like to use my old G4 as a 'sound module', running another > version of Logic and using my existing EXS sound library as one would usea > GigaStudio - triggering the sounds on the G4 from the G5 and recording that MIDI > info on the Logic running on the G5. Sounds simple enough. I've done thiswith the > GigaStudio and Logic, and it works like a charm. You can do this and it works very well. In the Environment: From Physical Input – draw a single connection from output #1 to Channel Splitter input #1. Draw 16 sequential connections from Channel Splitter #1 to 16 sequential Audio Instrument Tracks. Insert an EXS24mkII into each Audio Instrument Track. To each Audio Instrument track insert an I/O plug-in. (Stereo>Logic>Helper>I/O). When the I/O Plug-in pops up on the screen, assign any bus to its output (1 -2, for instance) and assign another bus to its input (1-2, for instance). Then put the plug-in into BYPASS mode. This forces Logic to treat this channel as a live input, thereby eliminating any latency that would otherwise occur. Make sure each channel in Logic is set to receive on sequential individual MIDI channels, not set to ALL. Record enable all channels. It seems to work with the channels not record enabled too, just not for the MachFive channel (if you want to setup that sampler as well). Repeat this entire setup adding more Channel Splitters each with 16 Audio Instrument tracks. (Draw a single cable from the Physical Input output #2 to Channel Splitter #2, then another cable from the Physical Input output #3 to Channel Splitter #3, etc.) Put Logic into PLAY mode (create a 2 bar loop). In my setup, I have G5 #1 running Digital Performer under DAE (in AudioMIDI setup, I created different MIDI Devices that represent G5 #2 running Logic – one device for each group of 16 MIDI channels). That's it! On a Macintosh G5 Dual 2 Ghz I've so far setup 48 EXS24mkIIs, plus an instance of MachFive (playing 16 channel ========================================== -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

>I'm on Panther + Logic 6.3.2. I'm trying to change the same parameter, >One Shot, on all Zones with one keystroke, but I can't seem to do it. I >remember that in OS 9, if you changed a setting in one zone while >keeping a combination of keys down, all zones would be affected the >same way. Any ideas? Hi Ned, I'm working in OS9 right now so I can't check this, but.... Try doing a multiple selection by using <select all> or shift-clicking, then <Option>-click to do the change. I remember this worked to some degree in the EXS24 editor, but may not be successful for all functions. Regards - Colin

Colin! You rock, my friend, big time! Absolutely right on: select all zones + shift-click. Sorry for wasting bandwidth, friends... Ned On 03-11-23, at 18:29, Colin Shapiro wrote: > Hi Ned, > > I'm working in OS9 right now so I can't check this, but.... > > Try doing a multiple selection by using <select all> or > shift-clicking, then <Option>-click to do the change. http://www.nedfx.com Ned Bouhalassa n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

I am apparently SOL, as there is no option like that in my OPTIONS menu on the EXSP24. Thanks for the info. Gregory From: Eli Krantzberg <elik@...> on one very special day, Gregory Anderson at ggaslp@... wrote: > Can the EXSP access virtual memory? I'm not sure about the EXSP. In the EXS 24, it's at the bottom of the options menu on the front interface. If it's not there, I think you are S!@t out of luck :-(

If I convert a cd with AKAI files in the EXS24 mk2 there is a EXS-instrument automaticaly createn. With folders and sub-folders. How can this be done with AIFF files? It is not happening automaticaly. Rob

On a fine day, 24-11-2003, robcatlender wrote: >If I convert a cd with AKAI files in the EXS24 mk2 there is a EXS-instrument >automaticaly createn. With folders and sub-folders. ... becasue the akai cd contains instrument-definitions as well, which get translated by the EXS. >How can this be done with AIFF files? It is not happening automaticaly. ... because if you just have a bunch of aiff waves, there's no way the EXS can know which should go where. Your best bet is to use the "multiple file import" (somewhere in one of the menus of the EXS's Instrument Editor). I usually pick the chromatic option when the EXS asks me how I want to import them, and then 1) adjust zone lengths manually one by one, and 2) use the Key Commands "move zone up/down inc. rootnote" to shift the zones into their proper position (these 2 KCs are real life-savers when creating your own instruments!). Oh, I only now realise it's you Rob... haha... biertje? LOL! -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra h @ k n o w a r e . n l Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Eli Krantzberg <elik@v...> wrote: > on one very special day, longys_wot_not_worx at longys@t... wrote: > > > --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote: > >>> The problem is, I can't get it to work with the current setup. > > The problem is that the > >> G4 Logic will only play the sounds from the Audio Instrument that > > is currently > >> selected in the Arrange window. > > In case any of you missed this from one of the recent LUG Digests, here is a > post that details how to use a second mac as a "slave" EXS 24 player: > Thanks a bunch, Eli. I just saw it there. It's exactly the info I was looking for. I'll check it out later on today. Cheers, Damir

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: > On a fine day, 23-11-2003, longys_wot_not_worx wrote: > > >--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote: > >> > The problem is, I can't get it to work with the current setup. > >The problem is that the > >> G4 Logic will only play the sounds from the Audio Instrument that > >is currently > >> selected in the Arrange window. > > > >Correct - I tried this with G4 as the newbie & the P3 450 as > >the "slave" - it doesn't work. > > You guys _do_ know about the I/O-plug-in trick, don't you? Cable a > Channel Splitter into max. 16 audio instruments, insert an I/O > plug-in (from the Helpers category) on all of them, and set some > input & output on all plug-ins (important). Then bypass all I/O > plug-ins. Assign a track to the Channel Splitter, and set Logic in > play mode (or play/pause). Does give some latency, but at least it > works -- you can now play up to 16 virtual instruments > simultaneously. Instead of a channel splitter you can also use a > neutral object such as a Monitor to route the same midi stream to > multiple parallel instruments (i.e. not split the incoming data by > channel). Or use a Multi-Instrument instead of a Channel Splitter. > Etc. > > -- > Hendrik Jan Veenstra h @ k n o w a r e . n l > Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/ Thanks Hendirk. I did not know about the I/O plug-in trick. Now I do. Thanks a bunch for the info. Cheers, Damir Price

Has anybody tried these out yet? The recorded demos sound nice, but they don't have a program demo so it's impossible to tell how flexible the samples are. It's hard to imagine a really useable classical solo vocal library, but here's hoping.... http://www.beladmedia.com/index.html

Hi Sean, On Nov 24, 2003, at 4:01 PM, Sean McCoy wrote: > Has anybody tried these out yet? The recorded demos sound nice, but > they > don't have a program demo so it's impossible to tell how flexible the > samples are. It's hard to imagine a really useable classical solo vocal > library, but here's hoping.... > > http://www.beladmedia.com/index.html I own these. How flexible would you like them to be? IMHO, I believe that they will become more flexible when the Extended set will become available. The DIVA Classical Soloists is vibrato heavy (and that's the way that they are intended). They are beautifully recorded and certainly usable. If you plan on making them sing actual words, it is possible (although still limited) but it will be more difficult. The standard vowels are there as are some consonants. Soloist 2 of the set pretty much only covers 1 octave which makes it less flexible and soloist only covers 1 and a half octaves. I would have preferred a full two octaves for both so that you're not constrained to certain keys for a melody. The attacks on the original samples have been trimmed as the developer indicated to me that the attacks were simply too slow to get very consistent playing out of them. The editing is pretty good and is playable out of the box. It translates pretty well to exs-24 from Gigasampler (I used CDXtract for this). They really work well for haunting moods as well as some of the pretty and beautiful stuff you hear from the demos. They are not intended to be screaming fff vocals so keep that in mind. Simply looking at the name may mislead you a little (Classical Soloists) as you won't be sequencing an opera with them. As you can tell from the demos, they do sound wonderful. I am quite happy with them and looking forward to the Extended addition to this library. With straight tones as well as delayed vibrato and 2 octaves to work with, I believe that the set will be more useful together than by itself. The nice thing is that owners of the 1st set can upgrade to Extended for only $49.95. There is no utility like there is for Voices of the Apocalypse and, given the samples that are there, it would probably be difficult to form words in the same way (not that it is completely impossible). There are short syllables that have been sampled but, IMHO, they lose some of their usefulness because they are pitched and are only available at that one pitch. If you plan on doing similar pieces of music with this library then you will find it useful. If you are planning on having it sing a bunch of lyrics then you'll probably be disappointed. Hope this helps in your decision. Fernstudio

Thanks HJ, you're too kind for this nasty world... Rob

Does anyone know if using a Canopus firewire box to output a Quicktime movie streamed from my internal ide drive will aversely affect the performance of streaming EXS samples from a Firewire drive? They would be on seperate FW ports. FYI, I'm using G4 Quicksilver dual gig and LAP 6.1, TDM, Mix Plus. Best, John Z.

>If you plan on doing similar pieces of music with this library then you >will find it useful. If you are planning on having it sing a bunch of >lyrics then you'll probably be disappointed. > >Hope this helps in your decision. Yes, a very helpful assessment. No, I don't expect to ever (literally) be using samples to create lyrics, but with my experiences with vocal samples until now just being able to move from one note to another would be an improvement! Sounds like there is definitely some usefulness to be had here. Thanks, Sean McCoy Oregon Sound Recording

Hi Sean, > Yes, a very helpful assessment. No, I don't > expect to ever (literally) be using samples > to create lyrics, but with my experiences > with vocal samples until now just being able > to move from one note to another would be an > improvement! Sounds like there is definitely > some usefulness to be had here. Thanks, Just to be clear here, moving from one note to another still involves a little work with the first part of the library as there are no intervals recorded (other than the performance files). Working with the envelopes as well as a bit of reverb helps to hide some of the problems. Having said that, I have found that it doesn't require very much work at all though. DIVA Extended offers some intervals which will help quite a bit in terms of achieving some realism. I don't know if you've contacted Francis Belardino (developer of the library) but he is very helpful and quick to respond. He also encourages and very much appreciates suggestions. Good luck with it and feel free to ask more questions if you like. Fernstudio

Gary, Are there differences in the programs provided for the EXS on the SAM website?  I just converted them off the CDs using CDXtract and they seem to work fine.  Any advantages to the Web EXS progs? What I found with using either the web lot or the EXS converter is that you get a lot of options in one big folder and finding things was not all that easy.  Dear James et al, The biggest advantage is the use of the "release samples." Meaning after you let go of the horn you will hear a natural decay. Otherwise it is pretty much the same. I fell in love with the Sam Horns when I first got them, did a big soundtrack where I used them on every cue. And now I swear I here a difference between the exs24 update and the original giga version. SO I have gone back and reconverted my giga version and I use that. SO I guess "one man's ceiling is another man's floor." Gary Pozner

yo man, that is musically unlistenable, although the samples sound amazing. I don't know if you were soliciting comments or not, but that's mine. > http://www.bardstownaudio.com/mp3/allofme.mp3 > > Kip McGinnis > Bardstown Audio > www.bardstownaudio.com

Agree, the piano has great sound ( suffers from too much reverb on demo!), the solo guitar sound is good but on the comping it doesn't work, not muted enough... it's messy anyway. Paul. me wrote: >yo man, that is musically unlistenable, although the samples sound amazing. > >I don't know if you were soliciting comments or not, but that's mine. > > > >>http://www.bardstownaudio.com/mp3/allofme.mp3 >> >>Kip McGinnis >>Bardstown Audio >>www.bardstownaudio.com >> >> > > > > >

> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: >>> Correct - I tried this with G4 as the newbie & the P3 450 as >>> the "slave" - it doesn't work. Is it possible to share the Logic key between two mac ? Thanks in advance. Best regards Cyril Blanc France Please sign the petition ³Apple to support APPLE LaserWriter 300 in MAC OS X² http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Ap1c1/petition.html If you want to be sure I read your answer leave my name in it ! Spam mails are directly going to trash

I wanna convert my sample library to EXS24 format. I was using an MPC3000 and an EMU ESI4000. CDextract says it will work with both formats and here is the key, the sounds are on 5 1/4" Syquest carts and Zip 250 carts. Again CDextract says it will read the syquest and zip disks, but all my info on chickensys just says CD-ROMS....Anyone ever do this? Will it be a simple no nonsense conversion? JR

Sean Can I also suggest doing a search at the Northern Sounds forum (http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=3) if you haven't done so already. I know the developer of the library posts to the forum. It's an excellent resource for picking up news and views on sample librariers (as well as DAW orchestration). Kind Regards -Andrew

At 11:03 PM 11/25/03 -0800, you wrote: >I wanna convert my sample library to EXS24 format. I was using an >MPC3000 and an EMU ESI4000. the sounds are on 5 1/4" Syquest carts and >Zip 250 carts. all my info on chickensys just says CD-ROMS... Translator supports any peripheral and communication protocol on any operating system. CD-ROM, CD-R, any removable or fixed hard drive, MO Drive, USB, Firewire, SCSI Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2K/XP Mac OS 8.6, 9.x, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 (The only exception is pre-OSX with SCSI, the workaround is to use Toast to create an image (what we exclusively call Virtual Drives), and Translator can easily work off of that. We support E3/ESi as a source, and also MPC. On the Mac, not MPC yet, that's slated for inclusion next week; it just got in the PC version. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

> I wanna convert my sample library to EXS24 format. I was using an > MPC3000 and an EMU ESI4000. CDextract says it will work with both > formats and here is the key, the sounds are on 5 1/4" Syquest carts and > Zip 250 carts. Again CDextract says it will read the syquest and zip > disks, but all my info on chickensys just says CD-ROMS....Anyone ever do > this? Will it be a simple no nonsense conversion? EMU ESI and MPC are supported by all version of CDXtract (Win, Mac Classic and OSX) Moreover CDXtract can read partitioned MPC disks and let you read and convert all your MPC partitions, not just the first one ! Try the demo :-) Bernard

From: me <kumpkin@...> >yo man, that is musically unlistenable, although the samples sound amazing. > >I don't know if you were soliciting comments or not, but that's mine. > > > http://www.bardstownaudio.com/mp3/allofme.mp3 I'd just lose that guitar (it's stepping on everything) and turn up the bass. But I agree, the piano sounds really great. -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Thanks for the compliments and comments! Personally I probably would have done the guitar rhythm a bit differently with a steady 4/4 chunk rhythm, which is more along the line of Freddie Green. Alan's syncopated guitar rhythm style in this demo is an appropriate style and is the type of guitar rhythm that he is accustomed to hearing. Alan has had several years experience playing with some of the best musicians in the country. All the best, Kip McGinnis Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Nick Batzdorf <recording@e...> wrote: > From: me <kumpkin@e...> > > >yo man, that is musically unlistenable, although the samples sound amazing. > > > >I don't know if you were soliciting comments or not, but that's mine. > > > > > http://www.bardstownaudio.com/mp3/allofme.mp3 > > > I'd just lose that guitar (it's stepping on everything) and turn up > the bass. But I agree, the piano sounds really great. > -- > > Nick Batzdorf > 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434