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> > Right now, one Giga PC and one dual gig Quicksilver (both with
1.5GB
>> of RAM) load essentially the same amount of VSL. I'm getting 180
>> stereo voices off a Firewire drive on the Mac, and the PC gets the
>> Giga max 160 mono voices.
>>
>> You'll be able to load more programs into 8GB of RAM, but you'll
>> still need to run the voices off multiple drives and busses. And
then
>> the question is whether it's still cheaper to buy Giga PCs than to
>> buy all that RAM!
>>
>> So the answer to Cyril's question is that we'll have to wait and
see.
>
From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>
>Hello Nick
>
>Have you tried to run your samples from your internal HD
I have them on an internal HD on the Giga machine, but not on the
Mac. That shouldn't make any difference, though, because Firewire had
enough bandwidth for this not to be an issue. Both are 120GB IDE
drives with 8MB buffers and similar specs - in fact they may be the
same WD drive; I forget what's in the Windows machine.
But I should stress that this isn't an exact benchmark. And I could
probably get more polyphony out of the Mac if I split the samples
across two drives.
Right now I've spent hours and hours (literally!) in the Project
Manager getting EXS to load samples quickly, so I'm not anxious to
rock the boat! As it is, it takes 15 minutes every time I open the PM
window. But I'm not complaining about either machine because the
performance is pretty damn good.
One other piece of trivia: Giga loads the same amount of samples in
793MB, which is the max you can get Giga to use under Windows XP
(unless you go to 2GB of RAM, in which case the max going to a little
under 1.1GB).
There are threads about this on the Northernsounds and VSL forums.
--
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818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434
Guys:
I have Digital Performer and I bought EXSP24 VST because I love my
friend's EXSP@$ MKII sampler -- but mine won't load programs.
I get the pull-down menu. I chose the program I like --and then
nothing. I'm program frigid.
I tried re-installing both the VST plug and the samples and nothing
helps.
Please help me. I'm getting despondent.
- Stew
on 6/30/03 11:29 AM, Julie Larson at julielarson@... wrote:
Yeah...I've had some of that....but CDXtract wouldn't do it at all. I
wrote ChickenSys last week about it and Garth said that the latest
update fixes the problem.
Julie
Yeah, Garth is great with that. I'll give the new one a try.
thanks,
james
On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 09:11 AM, James Ryan wrote:
> Wow. I tried to convert a Boulder Sounds group from Kurzweil to
EXS
> using Translator, and it put big thumps at the front of all the
> samples and ruined all their fadeups. Totally useless.
Haven't tried
> CDXtract for it. I went back to just using my Kurzweil
2500.
> Inconvenient, but accurate.
>
> JR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Larson
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [EXS]CDXtract: the best?
>
>
> I apologize...I didn't read the thread thoroughly....for
Kurzweil
> translations...for me it's Translator. I've never been
able to get
> CDXtract to do it. Am I missing something?
>
> julie
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 09:06 PM, Julie Larson wrote:
>
> > I have both..depends on what you're doing....
> >
> > julie
> >
> > On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 09:04 PM, James Ryan
wrote:
> >
> > > I have both. CDXtract gets my vote.
> > >
> > > JR
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> > > Subject: Re: [EXS]CDXtract: the best?
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> > wrote:
> > > > To convert my Kurzweil CDs into EXS
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> best
> > > tool?
> > > > Bruno
> > >
> > > Well there's also Chicken Systems
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On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 09:18 AM, James Ryan wrote:
>
> Yeah, Garth is great with that. I'll give the new one a try.
And that's why I stick with Translator since its day 1, cause he does
his best to keep his promisses. But (and I ask this not to start a
CDXtract/Translator flame war, but rather to have more knowledge on the
subject) since James said his choice would be CDXtract (the product
which I know absolutely nothing about), what do I lose as a faithful
Translator user? Any ***objective*** feature list of dos and don'ts
with each of the 2? TIA.
Best,
Andy
(a satisfied Translator user)
On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 01:39 PM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: MPC format
>
> On 29/06/03 12:38, "Paul Najar" <pnajar@...> wrote:
>
>> Cyril Blanc on 29/6/03 4:23 PM, Cyril Blanc at blanc.cyril@...
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> How do you convert MPC format to AIF or to MP3 ? (freeware
!)
>>
>> There's a program called MPC Convert that will convert MPC to aiff
or
>> SD2.
>> It's shareware. Do a web search you should find it.
>>
>
> Hello Paul
> The MPC convert I found on Google run¹s on PC, I am on Mac
>
>
MPCPgmMaker (shareware)
hth,
charlie
on 6/30/03 12:56 PM, Andy Hardwake at digitalmechanics@... wrote:
On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 09:18 AM, James Ryan wrote:
>
> Yeah, Garth is great with that. I'll give the new one a try.
And that's why I stick with Translator since its day 1, cause he does
his best to keep his promisses. But (and I ask this not to start a
CDXtract/Translator flame war, but rather to have more knowledge on the
subject) since James said his choice would be CDXtract (the product
which I know absolutely nothing about), what do I lose as a faithful
Translator user? Any ***objective*** feature list of dos and don'ts
with each of the 2? TIA.
Best,
Andy
(a satisfied Translator user)
Truthfully, with Garth's post that the Kurzweil thing is cleared up, it
becomes more an issue of which interface you like the best. I find getting
around CDXtract a little more easy and intuitive, but someone else may say
just the opposite. If you're happy with Translator, stay where you are. If
the uber programmer of Translator reads this list and responds with fixes,
you can't go wrong. Spend your money on a cool sample CD!
James
I agree that Beatz from the Nu School a great disc and I must say that I've
heavily plundered it over the passed couple of months. Although I love and
use PhatmaticPro I have constantly come across the problem where it will not
"fill in the gaps" between slices like Recycle 2 will. This
happens more
when you are really slowing a groove down.
Phat does not have any decay function as far as I can tell whereas Recycle 2
will allow the user to define how much crossfade between slices. I find
myself going back to Recycle more these days. Then it's easy just to open
the Rex file with an EXS.
Ok if we are going to share favorite CD's then let me give you a heads up on
the best sounding live drums that I've heard since Spectrasonics Backbeats.
No it's not Drum Kit From Hell or the Joey Kramer disc......both of these
are good though.
These drums were recorded at Abbey Road with the best microphones through a
Neve console in to a Euphonix DAW. The production and playing are second to
none.
The disc is "Beats Working"
Not an enormous amount of material but all of it is brilliant. Totally worth
every cent and for the first time in 4 years I've found something of the
standard of Eric Persing. Check out the bottoms in the kick and the imaging
of the whole kit...............and it hasn't been processed at all! (you
will have to "see past" the generic demo)
Phil Buckle.
Hey Phil,
Thanks for the great tip! It really sounds like a winner to me. The only
problem is that, as a non-ProTools user, I would opt for the audio cd
version - but I can't see myself PHATmatik-ing or ReCycling (that I'll have
to buy - I was going to wait for NI's version, but that may take forever) 2
complete cds. It's really too bad they don't chop them up for us instead.
I'd be willing to pay more, like for Groove Control collections, to have
the ability to match any tempo...
Ned
PS: yeah, the demo's a bit cheezy, but the drums rock!
http://www.nedfx.com
Ned Bouhalassa
n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
On 30/06/03 5:08, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote:
>>> > > Right now, one Giga PC and one dual gig Quicksilver
(both with 1.5GB
>>> >> of RAM) load essentially the same amount of VSL. I'm
getting 180
>>> >> stereo voices off a Firewire drive on the Mac, and the
PC gets the
>>> >> Giga max 160 mono voices.
>>> >>
>>> >> You'll be able to load more programs into 8GB of RAM,
but you'll
>>> >> still need to run the voices off multiple drives and
busses. And then
>>> >> the question is whether it's still cheaper to buy Giga
PCs than to
>>> >> buy all that RAM!
>>> >>
>>> >> So the answer to Cyril's question is that we'll have
to wait and see.
>> >
>
> From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>
>
>> >Hello Nick
>> >
>> >Have you tried to run your samples from your internal HD
>
> I have them on an internal HD on the Giga machine, but not on the
> Mac. That shouldn't make any difference, though, because Firewire had
> enough bandwidth for this not to be an issue. Both are 120GB IDE
> drives with 8MB buffers and similar specs - in fact they may be the
> same WD drive; I forget what's in the Windows machine.
>
> But I should stress that this isn't an exact benchmark. And I could
> probably get more polyphony out of the Mac if I split the samples
> across two drives.
>
> Right now I've spent hours and hours (literally!) in the Project
> Manager getting EXS to load samples quickly, so I'm not anxious to
> rock the boat! As it is, it takes 15 minutes every time I open the PM
> window. But I'm not complaining about either machine because the
> performance is pretty damn good.
>
> One other piece of trivia: Giga loads the same amount of samples in
> 793MB, which is the max you can get Giga to use under Windows XP
> (unless you go to 2GB of RAM, in which case the max going to a little
> under 1.1GB).
>
> There are threads about this on the Northernsounds and VSL forums.
Hello Nick
Do you have an FW audio interface ?
Best regards
Cyril Blanc
France
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Hello Group,
is it possible to use more than 15.000 EXS Instruments? When i reach this
number of files, it is not possible to open the EXS menue in windows XP and
in windows 98 a lot of instruments do not appear. There seems to be a limit
of files for the EXS in logic or in the operating system.
Does anyone also have this problem or has someone a solution for me?
Regards,
Samy
Athlon 1300, 512MB/AMT8/Audiowerk8/Logic5.5.1/EXS24/ES1
The limit is in the OS.... you can still see them if you switch to control
view...
Andrea
>is it possible to use more than 15.000 EXS Instruments? When i reach
>this number of files, it is not possible to open the EXS menue in
>windows XP and in windows 98 a lot of instruments do not appear.
>There seems to be a limit of files for the EXS in logic or in the
>operating system.
While I don't know wether the limit is around 15.000 there certainly
is a limit to the size of a menu. If I recall it correctly the ID
of a menu entry (used by the windowing system to indicate which
particular entry had been selected) is a 16bit number thus allowing
for a theoretical maximum of 65000 distinguishable menu-entries.
It doesn't seem far fetched to assume that the range reserved for
EXS Instruments does not span the full theoretically possible range.
>Does anyone also have this problem or has someone a solution for me?
Do you *always* need all your 15.000 instruments or could you
preselect some by moving those you don't need (temporarily) into
a different directory ?
Or in other words:
Assuming there is a maximum number of instruments and this is
around 15.000 than I suppose you have no choice other than using
a subset of your instruments possibly selected on a case by case
basis.
Best,
Michael
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thanks for your answer,
of course it is possible to use different subsets of my instruments, but
maybe there is a more comfortable solution??
hm, but i dont think so....
regards,
samy
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Gerdau
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [EXS] More than 15.000 EXS Instruments?
>is it possible to use more than 15.000 EXS Instruments? When i reach
>this number of files, it is not possible to open the EXS menue in
>windows XP and in windows 98 a lot of instruments do not appear.
>There seems to be a limit of files for the EXS in logic or in the
>operating system.
While I don't know wether the limit is around 15.000 there certainly
is a limit to the size of a menu. If I recall it correctly the ID
of a menu entry (used by the windowing system to indicate which
particular entry had been selected) is a 16bit number thus allowing
for a theoretical maximum of 65000 distinguishable menu-entries.
It doesn't seem far fetched to assume that the range reserved for
EXS Instruments does not span the full theoretically possible range.
>Does anyone also have this problem or has someone a solution for me?
Do you *always* need all your 15.000 instruments or could you
preselect some by moving those you don't need (temporarily) into
a different directory ?
Or in other words:
Assuming there is a maximum number of instruments and this is
around 15.000 than I suppose you have no choice other than using
a subset of your instruments possibly selected on a case by case
basis.
Best,
Michael
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From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>
>Do you have an FW audio interface ?
Actually I do have a MOTU 828, but I only use it on my PowerBook as a
portable DAW (and as back-up insurance if I'm recording someone and
my Pro Tools rig goes up in smoke - but that hasn't happened).
Not a relevant factor in these reports - except that you probably
wouldn't want to use a FW interface and a FW drive if you're trying
to maximize a streaming EXS machine.
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From: "Michael Gerdau" <mgd@...>
>Assuming there is a maximum number of instruments and this is
>around 15.000 than I suppose you have no choice other than using
>a subset of your instruments possibly selected on a case by case
>basis.
I have an alias of the VSL's EXS Sampler Instruments folder inside my
regular Sampler Instruments folder (the one in the same folder as
Logic). That makes the drop-down list manageable (you get a single
VSL entry until you mouse over it and the contents of the VSL folder
pop up to the side), and it might even be letting me get around
having over 1 billion instruments!
And I promise I didn't think of this in advance - it was a pure luck!
(Or pure bad luck, perhaps, since it takes 15 minutes to read the
Project Manager database and sort out the tree every time I open the
PM window?)
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on 2/7/03 12:48 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com at exs-users@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
> Subject: Beats Working
>
> Hey Phil,
>
> Thanks for the great tip! It really sounds like a winner to me. The
only
> problem is that, as a non-ProTools user, I would opt for the audio cd
> version - but I can't see myself PHATmatik-ing or ReCycling (that I'll
have
> to buy - I was going to wait for NI's version, but that may take
forever) 2
> complete cds. It's really too bad they don't chop them up for us
instead.
> I'd be willing to pay more, like for Groove Control collections, to
have
> the ability to match any tempo...
>
> Ned
>
> PS: yeah, the demo's a bit cheezy, but the drums rock!
>
>
>
> http://www.nedfx.com
>
> Ned Bouhalassa
>
> n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
Hi Ned, Yes I bought just the audio version. In this situation I will simply
fly the Wav tracks in to "Live". Then I run Logic and Live via
rewire. The
most amazing thing is to be able to have a complete sample CD worth of loops
in one session of Live and have it locked to triggering on the bar. Just put
Logic in repeat and start hitting grooves in Live. It's incredible what you
will discover when you actually hear different loops against your track.
Phil Buckle.
Hi group,
I'm trying to do an Akai import of my "Symphony of Voices" CDROMs
into the
EXS24, just using the OPTIONS>AKAI IMPORT feature in the EXS, and it
won't
recognize the AKAI discs for some reason.
Has anyone had a similar problem, and is there a workaround available? I
could use my hardware samplers, but I'm so addicted to the EXS that I just
hate
even turning on the gear anymore!
Kerry Muzzey
NY NY
Whoa there Phil - you sure are making a case for buying a copy of Live...
It's a lot faster than ReCycling the whole disc! I _was_ thinking about
Live for the Fall. Guess I'll be sending some bucks to Ableton soon. They
are a kick*ss company! One thing though: how's the chopping up affecting
the quality of the sound of the drums? What happens when a crash or ride
crosses over a slice?
Thanks for the details, man!
Ned
Phil Buckle wrote:
> The
> most amazing thing is to be able to have a complete sample CD worth of
loops
> in one session of Live and have it locked to triggering on the bar.
Just put
> Logic in repeat and start hitting grooves in Live. It's incredible what
you
> will discover when you actually hear different loops against your
track.
http://www.nedfx.com
Ned Bouhalassa
n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
Sounds like you might have a corrupted AKAI cd. Have you tried contacting
the place you bought it from? Maybe Spectrasonics support can help you. You
might also try importing it into one of your hardware samplers, just to
make the sure the cds are OK.
Ned
kirbyko3@... wrote:
> I'm trying to do an Akai import of my "Symphony of Voices"
CDROMs into the
> EXS24, just using the OPTIONS>AKAI IMPORT feature in the EXS, and it
won't
> recognize the AKAI discs for some reason.
http://www.nedfx.com
Ned Bouhalassa
n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
In a message dated 7/1/03 9:14:15 PM, ned@... writes:
> Sounds like you might have a corrupted AKAI cd. Have you tried
contacting
> the place you bought it from? Maybe Spectrasonics support can help you.
You
> might also try importing it into one of your hardware samplers, just to
> make the sure the cds are OK.
>
I've been using them in my Emu samplers for about 3 years now.... just tried
to import them into the EXS24 now that I'm using it almost exclusively. For
some reason it just won't register in the import window, and it's worked
just
fine with other AKAI CDROMs. Anyone have a similar situation?
Kerry
At 11:45 PM 7/1/03 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/1/03 9:14:15 PM, ned@... writes:
>
>
> > Sounds like you might have a corrupted AKAI cd. Have you tried
contacting
> > the place you bought it from? Maybe Spectrasonics support can help
you.
> You
> > might also try importing it into one of your hardware samplers,
just to
> > make the sure the cds are OK.
> >
>
>I've been using them in my Emu samplers for about 3 years now.... just
tried
>to import them into the EXS24 now that I'm using it almost exclusively.
For
>some reason it just won't register in the import window, and it's worked
just
>fine with other AKAI CDROMs. Anyone have a similar situation?
See the EXS-24 list FAQ under Mixed Mode CD's. Sounds like they might be
mixed mode (Audio and Akai data on the same CD), and the Apple CD/DVD
Drivers have a well-known bug that causes problems, and the FAQ describes a
workaround.
Garth Hjelte
Sampler User
On 1/07/03 18:43, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote:
> From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>
>
>> >Do you have an FW audio interface ?
>
> Actually I do have a MOTU 828, but I only use it on my PowerBook as a
> portable DAW (and as back-up insurance if I'm recording someone and
> my Pro Tools rig goes up in smoke - but that hasn't happened).
>
> Not a relevant factor in these reports - except that you probably
> wouldn't want to use a FW interface and a FW drive if you're trying
> to maximize a streaming EXS machine.
Hello Nick
That is the point I want you to come.
Also a Power book is not a computer to make symphonic pieces of music with
many tracks ; That was clearly pointed to me by Apple France when I bought
my Wall Street a few years ago
A technician from Apple told me ³you should never have bought this
computer
to make music, use a desktop, I bought a 400 MHZ G4 it was a dream !.
(it¹s
a question of disk, bus ..... WHAT SO EVER ;;;; I don¹t know much about
hardware inside the PB)
With a 324 PCI interface with Motu 2408+24i+1296 ; I have manage to record
the 54 ins with no problems on a G4 533 MP using internal ATA disk, I doubt
you can do this on a series of FW interfaces !
Best regards
Cyril Blanc
France
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Use the 1.3.5. Apple CD/DVD driver. It works with Mixed Mode CD:s.
Later versions of that driver does not work.
I had exactly the same problem myself using the 1.4.8 driver.
Best regards
Anders Wollbeck
>
> >
>>I've been using them in my Emu samplers for about 3 years now....
just tried
>>to import them into the EXS24 now that I'm using it almost
exclusively. For
>>some reason it just won't register in the import window, and it's
worked just
>>fine with other AKAI CDROMs. Anyone have a similar situation?
>
>See the EXS-24 list FAQ under Mixed Mode CD's. Sounds like they might be
>mixed mode (Audio and Akai data on the same CD), and the Apple CD/DVD
>Drivers have a well-known bug that causes problems, and the FAQ
describes a
>workaround.
>
>Garth Hjelte
>Sampler User
>
Yes, tehre's an audio file on there somewhere -- it looks like the mixed
media thing is probably the problem. Thanks Garth!
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