Well my friend, this sounds like the way to do it. I guess I was getting too caught up in having velocity be my sample select and instead the EXS24 natively has it's own parameter for velocity switching and I should have focused the solution in using the sample select switching with Controller#1. Thanks so much for this. And, actually when using sections, I a can make some pretty convincing Xfaded velocity zones, but not for solo instruments. The doubling effect works well if the the two samples are well tuned to each other and you use DB type crossfading (parobolic curve) as opposed to equal gain. One more follow up question... Using this technique could I set up lot's of different controllers to switch on and off different sample groups? What would be an efficient way to say, create a Violin Section consisting of 4 possibles: Long Tremelo Pizzicato Marcato Each crossfaded via velocity in 3 velocities of PP, MF, and FF ? Thank you very much for your thorough response. I am a film composer and deadlines are important. Your helpful answer will save me a lot of time. I am indebted to your wisdom. Evan Evans

hello - i recently bought the logic big box (dipping my toe with much trepidation in the emagic pool), feat. logic audio 5.3, exsp24, es1 and evp73. i'm running this on a winXP laptop: athlon xp 1600 mobility CPU (~1.2 ghz) 512 mb sdram i can select the exsp24 from the vst instruments in logic, but it crashes when i select an instrument/bank from the instrument, itself. after reading the infoweb, i've taken care to ensure that there are no more than 1000 files or folders within any folder and that the samples are no deeper than four directories. no matter what, it locks - the bank/instrument menu stops redrawing, leaving me with a big white block that eventually kills logic and sends and error report. what am i doing wrong? -- yours, niall. .. . . . . . . . . . aleph null. a simple insinuation around silence. see: http://www.vietnambla.com hear: http://radio.vietnambla.com .. .radio.free.destruktobot. .. playing now: the beatles - within you without you - sgt. pepper's lonely hearts club band

At 10:02 PM 4/29/03 -0400, you wrote: > > i can select the exsp24 from the vst instruments in logic, but it crashes > when i select an instrument/bank from the instrument, itself. after reading > the infoweb, i've taken care to ensure that there are no more than 1000 files > or folders within any folder and that the samples are no deeper than four > directories. > > no matter what, it locks - the bank/instrument menu stops redrawing, leaving > me with a big white block that eventually kills logic and sends and error > report. > > what am i doing wrong? I suspect this is something to do with the initial authorisation of the EXSP24. When you first attempt to load an EXSP24 instance Logic will demand that the CD be put in the drive and it will attempt to run through the authorisation procedure. I would try putting the CD for the EXSP24 in your CD drive (the one you installed from might be best) then open an empty song and try to open an instance of the EXSP24 and see what happens. Hope this helps, Murray

Hello, Could we imagine some additional functions when we work with groups. I'm working with copy and paste to build layered instruments. Each time I paste a lot of keygroups, the are assigned to a new group, Great ! BUT 1/ I can't mute each group to hear the with/without sound. 2/ I can't transpose my group, so I move my keygroups one half tone at a time... Could we imagine a "mute switch" on groups and a "move assigned keygroups left/right" Please ?!

On a fine day, 30-04-2003, jeffp06 wrote: >1/ I can't mute each group to hear the with/without sound. Yes, I'd *love* that too. >2/ I can't transpose my group, so I move my keygroups one half >tone at a time... Select group, pick the menu item "select zones in group" (or whatever it's exact name is -- can be done by keycommand as well), use the keycommand "moves zones" or "move zones with keynote". Very fast. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On a fine day, 29-04-2003, Evan Evans wrote: >And, actually when using sections, I a can make >some pretty convincing Xfaded velocity zones, but not for solo instruments. Ah, yes, you're right of course -- I *was* thinking of solo instruments indeed and not of ensembles... >One more follow up question... > >Using this technique could I set up lot's of different controllers >to switch on and off different sample groups? What would be an >efficient way to say, create a Violin Section consisting of 4 >possibles: > >Long >Tremelo >Pizzicato >Marcato > >Each crossfaded via velocity in 3 velocities of PP, MF, and FF ? Not sure if I completely get what you want, but it seems you could use the 'Select by' parameter in each group. Set e.g. group 1 to Select by Ctrl 1, range 64-127, set group 2 to Select by Ctrl 2, range 64-127, etc. Now sending a Ctrl 1 message >63 will switch on group 1 (or 3 velocity faded groups if you want). Sending a Ctrl 2 >63 will switch on group 2, etc. This way different controllers switch on different groups. Now just have each controller switch on *3* groups simultaneously, the 3 groups being the 3 dynamic levels of one instrument. 3 such groups have their 'Select range' parameters set to 0-40, 41-80 and 81-127 to provide crossfading within the 3 groups, while the 'select by' parameter determines if the groups are switched on _at all_. This is exactly identical to what I posted yesterday, except that you use the 'Select by' with different controllers for different instruments. Is this clear or not? I just got out of bed, so my mind isn't fully up to speed yet :-). >Your helpful answer will save me a lot of time. I am indebted to your wisdom. Hey, there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom, okay? :-) I'm glad to have been of help though... And just let me know if the above isn't clear or mis-interprets your question. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

jeff.parent@... wrote: > > Could we imagine some additional functions when we work with > groups. Sure -- some more enhancements would be great. > > I'm working with copy and paste to build layered instruments. > Each time I paste a lot of keygroups, the are assigned to a new > group, Great ! Give the groups a name instead of the default "Group # X" and they will retain the name when pasted. > > 1/ I can't mute each group to hear the with/without sound. A simple workaround is to reduce the volume on the group to the minimum setting. > > 2/ I can't transpose my group, so I move my keygroups one half > tone at a time... You are using the keycommands for moving zones for this? You can move the key note with the sample or not depending on which keycommand you use. A one octave transposition takes about 2 seconds with the keycommands. Regards, Murray

hi, I'm running exs24 in Logic 5.5 (mac) using DTDM with pro tools hardware and have found a weird problem. When I timestretch samples from the page where you assign samples to keys / groups (by clicking the "E" between start and end values), the sample cannot be heard afterwards! It seems to do it in either time n pitch built in or audiosuites like serato. Any ideas or similar experiences? Cheers, Tim

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, pezcuelloelith@a... wrote: > En un mensaje con fecha 28/04/2003 8:44:38 Hora estándar de México, > drbentye@a... escribe: > > > > > > Any advice? - I'm reluctant to go out and buy ChickenSys or CDExtract as I > > only own a handful of sample CD's and they are all AKAI, so if there's > > something I can do without spending more money, I'd appreciate it. I can't > > understand why it isn't working anymore because I'm still on OS 9.x... > > > > You must convert with exs 24 in Os 9.2 first. Later reboot in OSX and open > your imported files in esx24 II... > Further to this, you must hit "akai convert" before inserting the CD into your drive, otherwise the system will not recognise the disc. > Elith > > >

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "jaybirdknows" <jaybirdknows@y...> wrote: > I recently purchased a copy of the Xtreme Analog samples at a music store close out > sale (ie:no returns) and it seems to be an older version which only installs in OS 9. > I'm using OSX and the exs24 mkII. From the advanced folder, I was able to get the > sounds into my sample folder and the basic waveforms folder in my Instruments > folder. That all works. But the Xtreme Analog folder, which I also copied into my > sampler instruments folder, isn't recognized by the sampler, even after I select > "refresh menu". > > Any thoughts? > > thanks > jk The EXS24 will only recognise file names of a certain number of characters. Try shortening the name of the Xtreme analog folder to less than about 13 characters & you should be in business.

That's weird. OSX can read file names longer than Windows if I'm not mistaken. Why would Emagic decrease the character length from OS9. I am very skeptical of this theory. That would be a major blunder by Emagic, and I would be completely shocked if this was the case. -Jer > The EXS24 will only recognise file names of a certain number of > characters. Try shortening the name of the Xtreme analog folder to > less than about 13 characters & you should be in business.

Does posting wishes for the EXS24 on this list have any real impact? I've done it a few times because I know we have Emagic beta testers in here. But does anyone at Emagic really listen to any of our rhetoric? It would be nice to know. Seems there's no place intense users of the EXS24 have a collective voice for lobbying Emagic. This is as good a place as any. I hope someone out there is listening to us. Some things like drag and drop support have floated by us for several years now; you start to get the impression that these important requests are completely ignored. Routing and Giga support is great, but there are elementary shortcomings that make competing products much more attractive to many people, not enough for me to jump ship... but still. Example: everyone at the local keyboard department I shop at has switched to Kontakt because of ease of programming. My point is, this isn't trivial. Emagic is losing business because of this. You'd think someone would care what the most advanced and intermediate users think. I'll get down off my soap box now, but I hope we are not all just screaming into the wind. Global control over all elements and drag and drop are a must. Emapple, stop dragging your feet and start dragging my samples! -Jer

At 10:17 PM 04/28/2003 +0200, you wrote: >On a fine day, 28-04-2003, Sean McCoy wrote: > > >Everything sample related is already on my sample drive, > >with an alias to the Sampler Instruments folder inside Logic. This works > >perfectly for EXS24 instruments and samples. But when I delete the original > >"DLS-Giga Samples" folder and create an alias to identically named folder > >on the sample drive, Logic ignores the alias and creates a new original in > >the Logic folder during the Giga conversion process. The converted files > >again end up in the Logic folder on my system drive and have to be manually > >moved to the sample drive. Am I still missing something? > >I don't get this... If you've created an alias called "xyz", then >how on earth can Logic create a folder that's called "xyz" as well in >the same directory??? So you mean to say that at the end of the >process you have _2_ objects with identical names in the same >directory??? Yes, exactly. I've created an alias in identical fashion to the one that directs my Sampler Instruments to the proper drive, but EXS24 creates a new, identical original DLS-Giga Samples directory during each Giga conversion.

> Does posting wishes for the EXS24 on this list have any real impact? I'm sure that eMagic developers know where to look for feedback. We know, for example, that some of them read the LUG which is pretty tightly related to this list. But even if they were living in a vacuum, there's no way that they could not know that something has to be done with the editor in the EXS. So just be patient. Being an Apple company now, they really can't talk about what improvements they are working on or make promises about what will be in new versions. And there's a lot of other non-programming issues the EXS team has to deal with right now too, like the VSL release and the "special tools" that are supposed to be added into the ESX to make that work, and porting the EXSP to AU. So things may be a little rough right now, but don't despair. eMagic is getting a lot of good press for the EXS and they are certainly not going to just let it sit there and fade away. They are going to work hard to improve it. I think it's a good idea to brainstorm and post "wish-lists" here. But the eMagic team has a very full plate right now, so don't be offended if your "enhancement" isn't in the next release. Cheers, -Josh Emmons

I seem to remember a thread about not being able to load samples when the database grew too large. Anyway I have reached the limit, was it ever solved (and was it ever a thread). Henrik Krogh henrikkrogh@...

I haven't checked the maximum length of filenames recognized by EXS24, but I am using the Xtreme Analog instruments in Logic 6 under OSX, no problems here. -smeet > That's weird. OSX can read file names longer than Windows if I'm not > mistaken. Why would Emagic decrease the character length from OS9. I am very > skeptical of this theory. That would be a major blunder by Emagic, and I > would be completely shocked if this was the case. -Jer > > > The EXS24 will only recognise file names of a certain number of > > characters. Try shortening the name of the Xtreme analog folder to > > less than about 13 characters & you should be in business.

>> 1/ I can't mute each group to hear the with/without sound. > > > A simple workaround is to reduce the volume on the group to the minimum > setting. Thanx but if you wanna find a good balance between 5 groups, you need to remember each level before reducing it !

Well, I'm not that insistent, but I see where you are going. I'm not as desperate as it may have sounded. I am simply observing that this forum has made numerous requests for changes that we feel are more important, that have largely been ignored to date. You'd think our immediate concerns, as users, would take precedent; but they don't! The enhancements you mentioned are important, but not as urgent to most users. Seems like backwards logic to me (no pun intended). I know eventually they'll address these concerns, but it seems to me their priorities are a little skewed. Perhaps I'm making assumptions about people's priorities. If my aim is off, I apologize. I don't claim to be the EXS24 user spokesperson. I know that a lot of Vienna users are eagerly awaiting the enhancements you spoke of. Anyway, enough venting. Thanks for your well-meaning response. -Jer > But the eMagic team has a very full plate right now, > so don't be offended if your "enhancement" isn't in the next release.

Are the original Giga files (the *.gig versions) still in the original Sampler Instruments directory? I'd imagine if you leave them there but move the EXS versions then EXS will convert the originals all over again. Just a thought... Martin

On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 03:36 Pacific/Auckland, Joshua S Emmons wrote: >> Does posting wishes for the EXS24 on this list have any real impact? > As a non-EXS user, the EXS file management nightmare is what is putting me off changing to EXS from SoftSampleCell. I just want to store a project's sample files with all the other project data so that I can recall that particular project in its entirety from thousands of others, and not worry about scanning a million hard drives, or whether the original EXS instrument has has been changed in the last 5 years, or deleted or renamed or whatever. Unfortunately, judging by Apple's file management on things like iPhoto and iTunes, it seems unlikely that the future direction will be towards making file management more relaxed. Ian Ian G. Morris - Tonewright ian@... "Trans-uranic heavy elements may not be used where there is life"

On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 04:56 Pacific/Auckland, Jer Olsen wrote: > I am simply observing that this forum has > made numerous requests for changes that we feel are more important, > that > have largely been ignored to date. You'd think our immediate concerns, > as > users, would take precedent; but they don't! Unfortunately, it's the old story of commercial survival. It's more important to spend time attracting new customers with new features than fixing all those annoying bugs that we long-time Logic users have been moaning about for years! With each new release the software feels flakier and less stable as these bugs build up. I first started using Logic in 1993 and there are bugs in it now that eMagic knew of then! Ian Ian G. Morris - Tonewright ian@... "Trans-uranic heavy elements may not be used where there is life"

knee wrote: > > As a non-EXS user, the EXS file management nightmare is what is putting > me off changing to EXS from SoftSampleCell. I just want to store a > project's sample files with all the other project data so that I can > recall that particular project in its entirety from thousands of > others, and not worry about scanning a million hard drives, or whether > the original EXS instrument has has been changed in the last 5 years, > or deleted or renamed or whatever. Hi Ian, There's good news. In Logic 6 with the new Project Manager, there is a great new feature. Under the main file menu there is a new command called "save as project". Logic can then save all the relevant files for your song in one location; including EXS instruments, samples, plugin settings, audio files, etc. It really is very intelligently laid out. You can even save unused audio to a spearate folder. And you have many options as to wether you "move" or "copy" each calss of file, etc. It's very elegant. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this on the LUG. And FTR, I still haven't given up the ghost on my old SC ll card!! Softsamplecell may be cool. But EXS is waaay cooler. -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Don't forget it's always a good idea to send a copy of your wish to support@... ... Since I have not ever seen any of the @emagic.de guys write to this list I highly recommend doing that just to be 100% sure they see it.

On a fine day, 30-04-2003, Sean McCoy wrote: > >I don't get this... If you've created an alias called "xyz", then > >how on earth can Logic create a folder that's called "xyz" as well in >>the same directory??? So you mean to say that at the end of the >>process you have _2_ objects with identical names in the same > >directory??? > >Yes, exactly. I've created an alias in identical fashion to the one that >directs my Sampler Instruments to the proper drive, but EXS24 creates a >new, identical original DLS-Giga Samples directory during each Giga >conversion. That's completely weird... I can't remember ever having seen 2 identically named objects in the same directory. Heck, I would even have sworn that it's impossible. Mighty annoying... And it also means that some strange routines are used -- normal I/O routines would transparently use the alias without even noticing that it's an alias... -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

> > >> >Logic just uses that default location from what I can see -- there is no >> >option >> >to redirect the saving of DLS/giga samples. However, you can just move all >> the >> >folders of samples to your audio samples drive/partition manually. > I just converted 1 Giga file into exs, then I copied the newly created folder in the Logic folder (it was the 1st Giga file I converted) to my Audio Drive & put an alias in the Logic folder. Then I let the Project manager run to find the related samples (which went pretty fast, because I only converted one instrument). After that, all the Giga instruments I convert automatically got put into the folder on my Audio Drive! I agree that this is somehow a PITA, but it seems to work. Hope this helps, gilles