Hi I work mainly with the EXS these days and am thinking of upgrading. I've been following the logic and exs lists, but one thing has not been discussed that I really need to know... My G4 400 becomes very sluggish when pushed beyond half load. I would like to get a laptop but I'm concerned that this issue only goes away with dual processors. Can anyone comment on how hard you can push a dual proc machine compared to a single proc. From previous posts it is my understanding that you can virtually max out a dual proc and the user interface behaves the same as with no load. Is this accurate? BTW I am running OS 10.2.4 I don't suppose there will ever be dual proc laptops due to power consumption?? Tom

Until recently, I didn't think an OS9 dual Mac was much better than a single-processor for Logic on OS9. Things have changed. I learned that inserting the I/O Logic Helper plug, designating an output, then deactivating the plugin (leaving it on the channel strip), throws all the plugins on that channel strip to the other processor. Now I can maximize the usage of both processors and I'm never hurting for DSP. Another use of the I/O plugin is that it fixes the crackle problem for UAD-1 users who get problems when putting something like the Pultec on the Master fader. The fix? Put an I/O plugin on every channel with a UAD-1 VST effect, making sure you designate an input/output on the deactivated plugin, just like in the other situation. I'm thrilled right now. All my problems are currently solved. Dual 800 user in OS9.2.2 (Logic 6)! Logic has never been better. -Jer > Hi > > I work mainly with the EXS these days and am thinking of upgrading. > I've been following the logic and exs lists, but one thing has not been > discussed that I really need to know... > > My G4 400 becomes very sluggish when pushed beyond half load. I would > like to get a laptop but I'm concerned that this issue only goes away > with dual processors. Can anyone comment on how hard you can push a > dual proc machine compared to a single proc. From previous posts it is > my understanding that you can virtually max out a dual proc and the > user interface behaves the same as with no load. Is this accurate? > BTW I am running OS 10.2.4 > > I don't suppose there will ever be dual proc laptops due to power > consumption?? > > Tom

Hi all, Have searched the archives for answer to my question without luck. Does anybody know if there is a way to convert .art files (articulation files for giga files) to exs format. Have just bought 'Dan Dean Solo Strings' in giga format. The conversion by the exs24 seemed to go well but the updates are in .art file format which the exs does not recognise. I would love to get the presets in these updates which would be very useful. Thanks in advance for any help. George

No, using 5.5. The turnoff with the freeze in 6.0 is that, unlike Softsynths manually bounced to audio, the frozen tracks cannot be edited..(according to users on the LUG) .what a pain. So, to compose flexibly, there is still no substitute for power. My fear is that if Apple was able to make fast enough machines for this application, Emapple would not have brought out this feature, welcome as it may be. best wishes, Jeff On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:16 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >> I am thinking of moving from a Tibook 500 (the original with no L3 >> cache and 1 Meg of L2) to the new Powerbook G4s with the 166 bus speed >> and DDR RAM (either 17 inch or 15"). My main reason for doing this is >> that my present machine craps out before I finsh a large orchestration >> using EXS24 Mk II using many voices. >> Has anyone got one of these machines yet, and if so, how many >> simultaneous voices can you get >> before Logic stops playback? Can I expect a really significant >> performance boost? >> > I was wondering, with Logic V6 you can use the freeze function to > overcome this. Are you using V6? > George > --

George, I'm sorry to say that AFAIK, there is no way to convert .art files to a format that EXS can understand. Too bad for us!!! Ned gorg444 wrote: > Have just bought 'Dan Dean Solo Strings' in > giga format. The conversion by the exs24 > seemed to go well but the updates are > in .art file format which the exs does not recognise. http://www.nedfx.com Ned Bouhalassa n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Hi, is it possible to convert .gig and Halion .fxp files into EXS Mk 1-format (Logic 4.73, OS 9)? CDXtract 4 can convert .gig into .fxp, but crashes, if i try to convert into EXS.. Thank's for Answers MacBass mailto:bruno@... www.bru-no.de

I agree, I probably will wait. I have to admit I'm suffering techno-lust, but what can I say, I'm an EE by profession! Anyhow, I guess this means I have to move my songs folder to my audio partition? And I'll no longer be able to back up my songs folder to Zip huh? Also I'm assuming freeze only applies to audio tracks and audio instruments, right? Can you freeze aux tracks? Input objects? Busses? Busses w/Input objects feeding them? Mark Hi Mark. If I were you, I would wait until I received Logic 6 and learned how to use the freeze function. With the freezing you will be able to use many more plugins and voices in your sampler, whichever One you use. If you are still maxing out your CPU with your workload and work style, then a dual Processor system will make a large difference. The longer you wait to upgrade the better a deal you Will be able to get, so take it easy and don't rush it. Logic will remember freeze settings. The freezed tracks are stored in the song folder in a labled Freeze folder. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pageþatures/junkmail

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Jer Olsen <HELP@M...> wrote: Another use of the > I/O plugin is that it fixes the crackle problem for UAD-1 users who get > problems when putting something like the Pultec on the Master fader. The > fix? Put an I/O plugin on every channel with a UAD-1 VST effect, making sure > you designate an input/output on the deactivated plugin, just like in the > other situation. I too have been having problems with the UAD card and have tried the work around using the IO plug in but it does not always work. Here is my question for you. When you assign the IO plug in to the audio or audio instrument track on which you wish to use a UAD plug in when you designate the input and output on the deactivated plugin what settings are you using. For example, say I want to use a pultec eq on audio instrument 1 (and I have put an exs24 instrument on audio track one with a kick drum in mono)> So I put a Logic IO helper in the top plug in slot, however, out of the available choices I do not know which input number to select. I usually select output 9 because 9 corresponds with my main analog out in my asio configuration. If you could point out what I am doing wrong it would be greatly appreciated. I am using the following gear: G4 450, OS 9.2.2, 512 megs ram, Logic Audio Platinum 6.0, Sound Diver, 3.04, UAD-1 card, Motu PCI-324 card, Waves Gold Bundle Native, Absynth, Virtual Guitarist, Unitor 8 II, AMT8. I am using the Motu PCI-324 console v. 2.4 which when installed placed asio driver version 2.1 in my Logic ASIO drivers folder, and placed PCI-324 Sound Manager Driver v. 1.2. in my extensions folder, and placed the PCI driver v. 1.5 in my extension folder as well. thanks daviscremar@...

I've been checking out the Kontakt demo, and I think the modularity of it is cool, but from what I can tell, there are minimal commands keys to perform commands on objects. Personally, it drives me nuts to have to mouse click around an app all the time. Can someone familiar with Kontakt confirm or deny the lack of command keys for action in Kontakt. Thx. Paul

I always use input/output 1 or 1 and 2. It's rather trivial since the plugin is then disabled anyway, thereby routing nowhere. It just doesn't work if you don't do this. I don't get crackle (to my knowledge) on the instrument tracks. It's only when it's paired with UAD plugs on the Master, Buss, or Aux that I need to insert the I/O plug on all the UAD tracks. I haven't tested the Pultec on an instrument track by itself though. Universal Audio says they're working with Emagic on making this process more automatic. -Jer > I too have been having problems with the UAD card and have > tried the work around using the IO plug in but it does not always > work. Here is my question for you. When you assign the IO plug > in to the audio or audio instrument track on which you wish to > use a UAD plug in when you designate the input and output on > the deactivated plugin what settings are you using. For example, > say I want to use a pultec eq on audio instrument 1 (and I have > put an exs24 instrument on audio track one with a kick drum in > mono)> So I put a Logic IO helper in the top plug in slot, > however, out of the available choices I do not know which input > number to select. I usually select output 9 because 9 > corresponds with my main analog out in my asio configuration. > If you could point out what I am doing wrong it would be greatly > appreciated. I am using the following gear:

Very New to exs and logic, and I am frustrated at the documentation which seems to tell more "what" than "how to". I'm running exs24 MKII on logic 5.5, Mac powerbook OSX with 1Ghz processor and 1GB RAM. The main point which I need clarifying on: when I try to import a sample into a new sampler instrument, is it possible (for instance with the samples that came with the exs) to make a sample sound at every pitch on the keyboard? When I have tried to import a sound (clean guitar) the sample slows down as you lower the pitch, and speeds up as you play higher on the keyboard. Is this the exs's way of approximating the pitch via sample speed? Do I need to purchase a sample that has every note of the keyboard sampled seperately or can I make the exs24 force a single sampled note to play at each pitch? (I noticed that the "clean guitar" that came with the exs24 has many seperate notes sampled, but not all of them- ) Not sure if I explained that correctly, but I hope someone gets it! Thanks! Peter

At 10:27 PM 3/27/2003 +0000, you wrote: >The main point which I need clarifying on: when I try to import a >sample into a new sampler instrument, is it possible (for instance >with the samples that came with the exs) to make a sample sound at >every pitch on the keyboard? When I have tried to import a sound >(clean guitar) the sample slows down as you lower the pitch, and >speeds up as you play higher on the keyboard. Is this the exs's way >of approximating the pitch via sample speed? Do I need to purchase a >sample that has every note of the keyboard sampled seperately or can >I make the exs24 force a single sampled note to play at each pitch? >(I noticed that the "clean guitar" that came with the exs24 has many >seperate notes sampled, but not all of them- ) > >Not sure if I explained that correctly, but I hope someone gets it! > >Thanks! Peter Just check the box for disable pitch in that sample's zone. Colin Miller

On a fine day, 27-03-2003, s007ing wrote: >The main point which I need clarifying on: when I try to import a >sample into a new sampler instrument, is it possible (for instance >with the samples that came with the exs) to make a sample sound at >every pitch on the keyboard? When I have tried to import a sound >(clean guitar) the sample slows down as you lower the pitch, and >speeds up as you play higher on the keyboard. Is this the exs's way >of approximating the pitch via sample speed? Do I need to purchase a >sample that has every note of the keyboard sampled seperately or can >I make the exs24 force a single sampled note to play at each pitch? Not sure if I understand you fully, but it sounds as if you're a bit confused as to what samplers do. What you describe is exactly what _every_ sampler does: a recorded note is played back at original pitch/tempo at a certain key (like C3), and if you stretch it across the keyboard, higher notes will play a higher pitch by speeding up the sample -- and thus shortening it. Ditto in reverse for lower notes. So a 1 second sample, assigned to "original key = C3" will last only half a second when you play C4 and 2 seconds when playing C2. That's the basic principle of sampling and there's little you can do about that. In order to avoid ugly artefacts you thus indeed need several sampled pitches -- that's one of the reasons e.g. orchestral libraries provide every single note instead of just one. What you're after is a kind of realtime "pitch change without time-stretch". There is software that achieves this, but note of those is (afaik) realtime, since the algorithms involved are rather complicated. Logic's own built-in "Time & Pitch machine" is an example of a piece of software that will let you do exactly this. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

Hi - I have some Logic 4.8 recordings that I would like to update. Since I have done the recordings, I bought the EXS24 and want to change the drum track to use the sampler instead of my keyboard. Is there a way to route what I already have on midi ch10 to the EXS24? I would also like to have the bass drum and snare on their own tracks. thanks for the help

Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> wrote: > > Not sure if I understand you fully, but it sounds as if you're a bit > confused as to what samplers do. What you describe is exactly what > _every_ sampler does: a recorded note is played back at original > pitch/tempo at a certain key (like C3), and if you stretch it across > the keyboard, higher notes will play a higher pitch by speeding up > the sample -- and thus shortening it. Ditto in reverse for lower > notes. > So a 1 second sample, assigned to "original key = C3" will last only > half a second when you play C4 and 2 seconds when playing C2. That's > the basic principle of sampling and there's little you can do about > that. > > In order to avoid ugly artefacts you thus indeed need several sampled > pitches -- that's one of the reasons e.g. orchestral libraries > provide every single note instead of just one. > > What you're after is a kind of realtime "pitch change without > time-stretch". There is software that achieves this, but note of > those is (afaik) realtime, since the algorithms involved are rather > complicated. Logic's own built-in "Time & Pitch machine" is an > example of a piece of software that will let you do exactly this. While I agree with nearly all of the above there are already some realtime samplers/audio processors that do this. Probably Celemony (I have only heard the demos) and definitely Native Instruments Kontakt will do this for example. Kontakt doesn't do it very well though -- there are loads of obvious artifacts as when operating in this way it uses a granular synthesis approach to achieve pitch shifting without changing playback time. You wouldn't want to do this with acoustic instrument samples unless you wanted to mangle them. I think we can expect this capability to become increasingly common now that conventional software samplers are just about a dime a dozen and the processing power is almost there now to do just about anything that DSP systems are capable of -- eg physical modelling instruments etc -- just not all at once. Regards, Murray

As of yesterday, CDXtract ver. 4.1 is on their site, including an OSX version. Maybe that will help. best wishes, Jeff F. On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 05:15 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:49:02 +0100 > From: Bruno Marek <b.marek@...> > Subject: .gig and Halion .fxp into EXS Mk 1? > > Hi, > is it possible to convert .gig and Halion .fxp files into EXS Mk > 1-format (Logic 4.73, OS 9)? > CDXtract 4 can convert .gig into .fxp, but crashes, if i try to convert > into EXS.. > > Thank's for Answers > MacBass > > >

On a fine day, 28-03-2003, boston_et wrote: >Hi - I have some Logic 4.8 recordings that I would like to update. >Since I have done the recordings, I bought the EXS24 and want to >change the drum track to use the sampler instead of my keyboard. Is >there a way to route what I already have on midi ch10 to the EXS24? >I would also like to have the bass drum and snare on their own >tracks. thanks for the help Just assign the midi track to an EXS instance instead of some external machine. I.e. insert the EXS in e.g the "Audio Instr 1" channel strip. Then assign the Arrange track to "Audio Instr 1". Very straightforward really. If you want to process base & snare separately you can either use the multi-out version of the EXS (needs LA5.2+, if I remember correctly), or use separate tracks indeed. For multi-out use, insert the EXS as a multi-instrument instead of a stereo instrument. Change the instrument definition in the EXS instrument editor to route different instruments to different outputs -- like snare to out3-4 and base to out5-6. Then set up 2 Aux objects, and pick those EXS outputs as their input. EXS outputs 1-2 will "come out of" the regular EXS channel strip. Outs 3-4 and 5-6 will come out of the 2 Auxes. If you want to use separate tracks, just load 2 more EXS's with the same instrument in e.g. Audio Instr 2&3 and assign those to two Arrange tracks. Copy the EXS drum-sequence and paste it twice on the two new tracks. Now delete anything you don't need from the 3 sets of sequences, or, if you have a recent LA version, use the mute-tool in the Matrix editor to mute the redundant notes. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

Thank You very much! --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: > On a fine day, 28-03-2003, boston_et wrote: > > >Hi - I have some Logic 4.8 recordings that I would like to update. > >Since I have done the recordings, I bought the EXS24 and want to > >change the drum track to use the sampler instead of my keyboard. Is > >there a way to route what I already have on midi ch10 to the EXS24? > >I would also like to have the bass drum and snare on their own > >tracks. thanks for the help > > Just assign the midi track to an EXS instance instead of some > external machine. I.e. insert the EXS in e.g the "Audio Instr 1" > channel strip. Then assign the Arrange track to "Audio Instr 1". > Very straightforward really. > > If you want to process base & snare separately you can either use the > multi-out version of the EXS (needs LA5.2+, if I remember correctly), > or use separate tracks indeed. > > For multi-out use, insert the EXS as a multi-instrument instead of a > stereo instrument. Change the instrument definition in the EXS > instrument editor to route different instruments to different outputs > -- like snare to out3-4 and base to out5-6. Then set up 2 Aux > objects, and pick those EXS outputs as their input. EXS outputs 1- 2 > will "come out of" the regular EXS channel strip. Outs 3-4 and 5-6 > will come out of the 2 Auxes. > > If you want to use separate tracks, just load 2 more EXS's with the > same instrument in e.g. Audio Instr 2&3 and assign those to two > Arrange tracks. Copy the EXS drum-sequence and paste it twice on the > two new tracks. Now delete anything you don't need from the 3 sets > of sequences, or, if you have a recent LA version, use the mute- tool > in the Matrix editor to mute the redundant notes. > > -- > Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> > Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

From: Jer Olsen <HELP@...> >Until recently, I didn't think an OS9 dual Mac was much better than a >single-processor for Logic on OS9. I did, since you can get really loaded down before the screen slows down. > Things have changed. I learned that >inserting the I/O Logic Helper plug, designating an output, then >deactivating the plugin (leaving it on the channel strip), throws all the >plugins on that channel strip to the other processor. That's very interesting! I just finished a mix using two stereo->stereo Altiverbs, and the performance meters didn't show much of a hit at all. But the screen was slowing down a little, and I had an I/O plug-in on one of the channels previously (when I tried an external reverb). I've actually found performance meters in general to be vague at best. Can you actually see that happening on the performance meter? -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

> is it possible to convert .gig and Halion .fxp files into EXS Mk > 1-format (Logic 4.73, OS 9)? > CDXtract 4 can convert .gig into .fxp, but crashes, if i try to convert > into EXS.. Bruno, I sent you a private mail yesterday about the version of CDXtract that you are using but I have not received any reply from you so far, also could you please tell me under which name you are registered because neither your name nor your email address are in our customer base. CDXtract 4.1 converts Giga files into EXS on all platform, I have made several tests and did not have any single crash. Bernard

Anyone else getting this? Since ver 5.0, I can only import AKAI discs with my empty autoload. As soon as I load a song with sequences, instruments etc, the disc - any disc, is not read by the AKAI converter. Very Strange. Using 6.0 OS 9.22 Optimized extensions (although I went thru them to try to source the prob and the toast CD extension had nothing to do with it) Dual 800 Can anyone else confirm? JD

Yes, they seem pretty reliable to me. And I guess I did know about the screen redraws, but a good part of it is the video card too. I know that one process handles midi and screen draw while the other defaults to plugins and that sort. > I've actually found performance meters in general to be vague at > best. Can you actually see that happening on the performance meter?

I bought EXSP24 for use with Cubase SX. Worked great. I use a lot of SoundFonts which EXSP24 converts to EXS format. I received an update disk in the mail from Emagic, installed it, and all of a sudden several of my soundfonts don't work. I also can't have more than one EXSP24 assigned as a VST instrument. I tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and deleted all of the soundfont conversions so the updated versions would do it's own conversion of the soundfonts...doesn't work. I uninstall the new version, reinstall the old version and it works... Of course, tried to get on Emagic's InfoWeb service and it's "temporarily" out of service. I may be "permanently" disappointed with this. Anyway, if any have experience with this, let me know. Thanks.

Thanks all for your replies- you confirmed what I had thought, that I need every note sampled seperately to avoid the sampler "time- stretching" the sound to achieve pitch change. And since I am going to use mostly acoustic instruments, the direction I hear from you all is that using various software to "force" pitch change from a single note sample is not an attractive option. Thanks again! Peter

harmony@... wrote: > > Thanks all for your replies- you confirmed what I had thought, that I > need every note sampled seperately to avoid the sampler "time- > stretching" the sound to achieve pitch change. And since I am going > to use mostly acoustic instruments, the direction I hear from you all > is that using various software to "force" pitch change from a single > note sample is not an attractive option. Yep -- the best sample sets available are multi-velocity sets where every note is sampled. Hence the pianos with upwards of two gigabytes of samples. One essential thing about acoustic instruments is that every note has, to some degree, a different quality. For example, stringed instruments like guitars and violins have a set of narrow Q resonances which boost particular frequencies. Historically, violin makers strove for consistency of tone but the beauty of their instruments' tone is tied up with the note by note variation. The consistency they strove for (the sort you can get with a synthetic instrument and an electric pickup) is boring to listen to. If you grab a sample of one note and pitch shift it to cover a range, some of the instrument's tonal character is lost -- character that would be evident in a note by note sample set. There is also an unnatural quality about the instument you have created since the resonant frequencies move about with the transpositions. Regards, Murray