----- Original Message ----- From: To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Re: INTAKT??? > Matt McKenzie-Smith wrote: > > > > > This rant may well be getting out of hand. Art may have nothing to do > > with this. > Murray McDowall <murraymc@...> replied: > This seems to be the case: since his original "no comment" on the Bitshift > Forum Art posted the following -- > ____________ > > > > > Sorry, that 'no comment' has caused a lot of trouble off the forum. > > To clear things up, however: We had NOTHING whatsoever to do with Intakt > > (well, I mean, obviously we seem to have influenced them quite a bit, and I'm > > bumming about that NFR I sent to one of their developers (haha Well it was bound to happen. Any new beatslicing/playing vsti is going to look pretty similar to P-Pro as as the choice of features is fairly obvious (waveform slicing display-transpose/tuning-vcf-vca-fx and some mod.). The root cause of this collective mini-rant is the total lack of updates and Art could have avoided this if he wanted. If P-Pro was a polished product, nobody would be complaining. Regards, Hector.

Hector wrote: > Well it was bound to happen. Any new beatslicing/playing vsti is going to > look pretty similar to P-Pro as as the choice of features is fairly obvious > (waveform slicing display-transpose/tuning-vcf-vca-fx and some mod.). True. It's just amazing how much similar Intakts waveslicing window is looking. As if they just ripped it off 1:1. > The root cause of this collective mini-rant is the total lack of updates and > Art could have avoided this if he wanted. If P-Pro was a polished > product, nobody would be complaining. True again. Actually, there's not even THAT much to complain about IMO - the major drawbacks for my purposes are the complete lack of any sort of filehandling thing (after losing quite a bunch of the samples needed for a song a few years ago I decided to become pretty much "anal" about these things), the fiddly knobs (just try to finetune them...) and the lack of a trim option (that's what makes ReCycle still a valid thing to use). Oh well, and the internal preview cutting off the first slice/s all the time. Sascha

Yes,I used macrar no problems. Then exs converts it. > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:51:50 -0500 > From: YAVUZ AKYAZICI <yavuz1@...> > Subject: Re: Velocity layers in giga library > > Hi, > >> I have the Bosendorfer and it plays back all velocities very well. > > Can you extract it without having Giga Sampler? > > > YAVUZ AKYAZICI

In the edit mode of exs24 I see 8 layers, do these illuminate as you press the keys? I only see the note on the keyboard light up as I press on my controller. Should exs 24 automatically utulize the velocity payers in a program or do you have to set something or is it a known bug? Kontakt does the velocity layers but playback is choppy if I really go to town. thanks Holmes > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:10:24 +0100 > From: "HKC" <henrikkrogh@...> > Subject: Re: Velocity layers in giga library > > I have the Bosendorfer and it plays back all velocities very well. If youopen > edit doesn´t the velocity change show when you press the key with different > velocities, it should be pretty obvious. If it doesn´t then I would tryto > convert the thing again. BTW I think there´s only 4 layers x 2 isn´t it > layered in pairs being triggered differently sustainpedal wise, I may be > completely wrong here but I seem to remember having noticed this. > Henrik Krogh

Holmes Ives wrote: > In the edit mode of exs24 I see 8 layers, do these illuminate as you press > the keys? I only see the note on the keyboard light up as I press on my > controller. You need to activate "select zone of last played key" first. Sascha

--- Sascha Franck <S.Franck@...> wrote: > Hector wrote: > > The root cause of this collective mini-rant is the > total lack of updates > and > > Art could have avoided this if he wanted. If > P-Pro was a polished > > product, nobody would be complaining. > > True again. Actually, there's not even THAT much to > complain about IMO - the > major drawbacks for my purposes are the complete > lack of any sort of > filehandling thing (after losing quite a bunch of > the samples needed for a > song a few years ago I decided to become pretty much > "anal" about these > things), the fiddly knobs (just try to finetune > them...) and the lack of a > trim option (that's what makes ReCycle still a valid > thing to use). Oh well, > and the internal preview cutting off the first > slice/s all the time. > > Sascha > > I would just like the preview to work properly if you're using anything other than 44.1KHz as your project rate. Otherwise, the pitch is off in the preview. Took a while for me to get Art to admit this bug. At first he just gave me a "RTFM" without even trying to understand what I was trying to say... I thought that this would be a quick and easy fix...but it's been almost a year...UGH! -- Natalia __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

YAVUZ AKYAZICI wrote: Can you extract it without having Giga Sampler? This was replied: Yes,I used macrar no problems. Then exs converts it. That´s strange on my CD it was in a special format that only Gigastudio could unpack. It only concerned the Steinway B because it´s on two CD´s. Henrik Krogh henrikkrogh@...

Have you activated "select zone of last played key". Henrik Krogh henrikkrogh@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Holmes Ives To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [exs] Velocity layers in giga library In the edit mode of exs24 I see 8 layers, do these illuminate as you press the keys? I only see the note on the keyboard light up as I press on my controller. Should exs 24 automatically utulize the velocity payers in a program or do you have to set something or is it a known bug? Kontakt does the velocity layers but playback is choppy if I really go to town. thanks Holmes > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:10:24 +0100 > From: "HKC" <henrikkrogh@...> > Subject: Re: Velocity layers in giga library > > I have the Bosendorfer and it plays back all velocities very well. If you open > edit doesn´t the velocity change show when you press the key with different > velocities, it should be pretty obvious. If it doesn´t then I would try to > convert the thing again. BTW I think there´s only 4 layers x 2 isn´t it > layered in pairs being triggered differently sustainpedal wise, I may be > completely wrong here but I seem to remember having noticed this. > Henrik Krogh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send a blank email to: exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com For a list of places to get free samples please see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

> This rant may well be getting out of hand. Art may have nothing to do > with this. > I mean how many other times have we seen another software co coming up > with a rip off of someones software? > Sit tight till we know facts, not speculation > _________________ > Matt McKenzie-Smith With all due respect, Matt: it's not out of hand, if you ask me. We had no communication from art and that's why we're here in the EXS list even taking about it. Art has said that he had nothing to do with INTAKT, on the Bitshift list, since I wrote my note here. But, we still don't have a stable version of PhatmatikPro to play with or any information concerning it's progress. The only reason I posted that here is because I bought it through this list on a group buy. thanks for your insight though, teddybut

> Don't get bummed or excited just yet. > The NAMM presentation was just a Powerpoint display. Early days I would say. > Meanwhile pHatmaticPro and pHatFactory kick serious butt and they are > available right now. This little plug really changed the way I work. > Phil Buckle. really? how do you keep it from crashing you every half hour? I find it unusable at the moment. teddybut

And remember as well that NI have been known to release products in the past with a series of issues, and has taken a very large amount of time between updates, Reaktor 3 and Absynth came to mind. Just for my 2 cents, I have seen Art act very rude on his forums in the past, towards people with very simple questions, led to believe that his product would have functionality, and he refused to admit that his product had bugs.......

Teddybut, I don't remember if you're on Mac or PC, but on Mac, I can tell you I had no problems using pHATfactory (up to 8 instances) for hours without a crash. I'm using 9.2.2. Ned teddybut wrote: > how do you keep it from crashing you every half hour? > > I find it unusable at the moment. http://www.nedfx.com Ned Bouhalassa n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Ned Bouhalassa wrote: > I don't remember if you're on Mac or PC, but on Mac, I can tell you I had > no problems using pHATfactory (up to 8 instances) for hours without a > crash. I'm using 9.2.2. Teddy is a Mac user as well - but over here (on PC) I had no single crash with PPro at all. FWIW, I know from quite some Logic/Mac users that they're having crashes with PPro (mainly Logic testing colleagues, so I would suspect they usually know how to setup their machines...). Anyways, stability issues never have been part of my complaints. Sascha

For months I have not seen anything but raves about Phatmatic Pro. These even persuaded me to participate in the group buy. Now somebody laments that a screen shot of a competing prodict looks a lot like PP and suddenly PP is slammed as a useless piece of crap. Two words: Moderation, Decaf. Bob Vandiver

yes I have and it worked thanks!! it seems to sound like the same sample only quieter or louder though. I will test by loading totally different sounds to see if it is really switching samples per velocity. --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "HKC" <henrikkrogh@m...> wrote: > Have you activated "select zone of last played key". > Henrik Krogh > henrikkrogh@m... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Holmes Ives > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: [exs] Velocity layers in giga library > > > In the edit mode of exs24 I see 8 layers, do these illuminate as you press > the keys? I only see the note on the keyboard light up as I press on my > controller. Should exs 24 automatically utulize the velocity payers in a > program or do you have to set something or is it a known bug? Kontakt does > the velocity layers but playback is choppy if I really go to town. > > thanks > Holmes > > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:10:24 +0100 > > From: "HKC" <henrikkrogh@m...> > > Subject: Re: Velocity layers in giga library > > > > I have the Bosendorfer and it plays back all velocities very well. If you open > > edit doesn´t the velocity change show when you press the key with different > > velocities, it should be pretty obvious. If it doesn´t then I would try to > > convert the thing again. BTW I think there´s only 4 layers x 2 isn´t it > > layered in pairs being triggered differently sustainpedal wise, I may be > > completely wrong here but I seem to remember having noticed this. > > Henrik Krogh > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send a blank email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > For a list of places to get free samples please see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > >

Bob Vandiver wrote: > > For months I have not seen anything but raves about Phatmatic Pro. > These even persuaded me to participate in the group buy. > > Now somebody laments that a screen shot of a competing prodict looks > a lot like PP and suddenly PP is slammed as a useless piece of crap. It would seem that Art has had his 15 minutes of fame ;-) I joined the group buy too so lets hope is that Art is doing a major rejig of Phatmatic Pro and keeping its details under his hat now that he has a bunch of competitors snapping at his heels. Regards, M

Well, I'm not sure about the 15 minutes of fame, but I can tell you this much: I can't believe how quickly some people are ready to condemn Art G. Do me a favour, and read a few of the posts from about a year and a half or so ago. Everyone it seemed was so happy at being able to play REX files in Logic, for free! Then pHATpro comes along, and people are once again excited and thrilled. Now there's a major bug when using pHATpro in Logic 5.5 (which I'm sure Art will solve) and the big boys are catching on to Art's plug (_of course_ N.I.'s version will have more features - they have much more money, and money = programmers...), and he's being flogged in public! Give the guy a break, and read the Forum on Bitshift's website - you'll see that Art _is_ answering his customers and his critics. Ned http://www.nedfx.com Ned Bouhalassa n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

it seems to sound like the same sample only quieter or louder though. I thought about that too, no obvious velocity switching what so ever. Henrik Krogh henrikkrogh@...

----- Original Message ----- From: Ned Bouhalassa <ned@...> and he's being flogged in > public! > > Give the guy a break.... I think if you re-read all our posts you will see that we are not being unfair at all. The issues that have been raised are valid. Many of us have tried to show that he did have a good reputation and on the whole the product is a good idea and useable. But he has since lost his way and doesn't seem too concerned about getting back on track by providing some long overdue communication and updates. This is for Teddybutt: I use windows and LAP 5.5 - P-pro always crashes when using the illuminated red slice display function, the one that makes them light up in sequence when played. Try turning it off, if it was on. Hector.

Sascha Franck wrote: > > FWIW, I know from quite some Logic/Mac users that they're having crashes > with PPro As a Mac user PPro has been rock solid for me. Except at the beginning when I was just learning it and loaded in full length audio loop CD files containing multiple loops. It froze hard. The loops have to be trimmed before loading. Once I figured that out, it has been fine. I haven't upgraded to LAMP 5.5 yet so am unaware of potential problems with them together. It works fine for me though in Logic 5.2 -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Hi there people. I've been beta testing a few softsynths on 5.5 and have noticed that I get a total hang-up/freeze after a few seconds of mouse movement outside the plug-in's main editing window. Others have reported problems with pHATmatik Pro on 5.5, that do not show up on earlier versions of 5. I can confirm that at least one plug-in I'm testing works fine in 5.3, but hangs in 5.5. Have any of you also noticed that 5.5 is pickier about which VST plugs it likes? Do you use 5.x instead of 5.5 because one of your VST plugs/softsynths doesn't crash? If so, please speak up. I'm hoping that this is indeed a 5.5 bug, and that it will disappear with 6.0. Thanks, Ned http://www.nedfx.com Ned Bouhalassa n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Amplitube now longer works. They say they are working on it, but it's readily apparent that Emagic veered off of strict VST compatibility to serve their own programming purposes. Either that or they didn't do much testing before the release. -Jer > Have any of you also noticed that 5.5 is pickier about which VST plugs it > likes?

>Now there's a major bug when using pHATpro in Logic >5.5 >Give the guy a break... one thing I've learnt with macs is that you have to be careful about getting worked up about buggy software because these things can be so machine specific. I too find PPro very reliable [even in 5.5] and the convenience when working with loops is hard to beat. now if Art could sort the upgrade thing out I'd rather buy from him than INTAKT from NI with their "flog it too you and forget you" attitude [i.e. Dynamo, Battery, etc]. support the small fry! rather than just the corperate wilderbeasts!! enough already. _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?pageþatures/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPIDt& amp;DI59

> Sascha Franck wrote: > > > > > FWIW, I know from quite some Logic/Mac users that they're having crashes > > with PPro > > As a Mac user PPro has been rock solid for me. Except at the beginning when I was just learning it and loaded in full length audio loop CD files containing multiple loops. It froze hard. The loops have to be trimmed before loading. Once I figured that out, it has been fine. > > I haven't upgraded to LAMP 5.5 yet so am unaware of potential problems with them together. It works fine for me though in Logic 5.2 > > > -- > Eli Krantzberg No crashes here in LAWP 5.3 - I think it's a great product let down by file system issues that don't bother me at all. I can see how some users who would want to switch loops easily between songs would find this frustrating, but I am a one loop/one song man. I am sure there are clumsy workarounds. User frustration stems quite justifiably from the "promised" free upgrade that has yet to materialise. It's hateful when people say one thing and do another to sell a product (even if it is innocent and inadvertent). Meanwhile PhatFactory has been developed and marketed in this period so .... I am still a satisfied user myself and it isn't as if it cost much money ... Tony Perretta

<HELP@...> wrote: > They say they are working on it, but it's > readily apparent that Emagic veered off of strict VST compatibility to serve > their own programming purposes. Either that or they didn't do much testing > before the release. -Jer This is just an opinion based on conjecture. Here is another :- it is also widely known (outside of Emagic as well) that the VST hosts documentation is woefully inadequate, so host developers other than Steinberg have to reverse engineer and downright guess some stuff. Which is why some problems can occur. There's a reason that Cubase still supports the VST standard better than any other VST host. Ben Hall www.benhall.co.uk