on the web : Maintenance release Mac: - Conversion of any source format to the SampleCell format - Tuning problem in the Pulsar/Mesa conversion is fixed - New installer that works with MacOS 8.6 - New "Disc browser" menu that allows you to insert and work with several sampler disks at the same time. You don't need to eject the loaded disk to insert a new one. - Shared folders are now visible in the file browsers - New "Search option" for selecting where CDXtract should search for a missing file. Mac and PC: - Improvements in the VSampler conversion (stereo...) - Read native Kuzweil and MPC disks, with long names - New "Program folder" option in the conversion flowchart that allows you to save your samples in the same folder than the program (for Halion, EXS24 and SampleCell) or in a subfolder of the program folder. - Better conversion of Giga programs with dimensions and crossfades to the Halion format. - Conversion of crossfaded programs to the Pulsar and MESA format. - Improvement of the batch converter

You rock! > From: Nassau <nassau@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:11:55 +0200 > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [exs] Re: Chase Events att: emagic > > attention emagic: i know u have thought of this before :) but please - make > audioInstruments behave like normal midi instruments on ALL accounts. and > also make them controllable just like normal midi instruments on ALL > accounts. > > it would mean so much, really! > > best regards, nassau

Hi All, I saw this announcement on Harmony Central, and it looks awesome. A huge new orchestral sample library is being put together in, among other formats, EXS! http://www.harmony-central.com/News/2002/ILIO-VSL-Distribution.html It looks SWEEEEET! It's by Spectrasonics and so surely will be groundbreaking. Eric, is there anything more you can tell us about this mammoth undertaking? -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Hi, Eli wrote, > I saw this announcement on Harmony Central, and it looks awesome. A huge > new orchestral sample library is being put together in, among other > formats, EXS! > > http://www.harmony-central.com/News/2002/ILIO-VSL-Distribution.html > > It looks SWEEEEET! It's by Spectrasonics and so surely will be > groundbreaking. Eric, is there anything more you can tell us about this > mammoth undertaking? I'm sure that Eric will chime in (and he certainly can speak for himself). I don't believe that this library is created by Eric. Ilio is distributing it but it is a different company (from Europe) that is creating this library. It certainly looks like it will be awesome. I've heard that it will be awesomely expensive as well. I've only read rumours (as there is no real pricing info) but the full library is expected to run about $10,000 US. There will be smaller bundles which are more affordable form the prelim info that I've read. It does look like it will be amazing though. Best regards, Fernstudio p.s. - I remember Eric stating on this list that they are looking more at creating apps (such as Stylus, Atmosphere, Trilogy rather than sample libraries) in the future.

----- Original Message ----- From: Fernstudio Hi, Eli wrote, > I saw this announcement on Harmony Central, and it looks awesome. A huge > new orchestral sample library is being put together in, among other > formats, EXS! > http://www.harmony-central.com/News/2002/ILIO-VSL-Distribution.html ************* Don't you think it can be better to have a real orchestra ? seriously , where is the orchestra sound !! ?? in a magic box ? :) I've download few demos and it is incredible how humoristic it can be ! so many energy spent in a product ...Ppffff I'm sorry, maybe I look agressif but I'm sick to see that kind of stuff and how people want to let you think that it sounds like a real Orchestra ! it is not an help to let you think like that ... please go to a real "Orchestra concert Hall " , listen to music and learn... it will cost you less and will be much better ! igor

Correct, the Vienna Symphonic Library has nothing to do with Eric or Spectrasonics. It's being produced in Vienna, Austria by the Vienna Symphonic Library and being distributed in the Americas by ILIO. Igor's skepticism notwithstanding, ;) it will be a groundbreaking library. All announcements of pricing and release dates will be made at the AES convention October 6, right around the corner. Meanwhile check out their website: http://www.vsl.co.at to get the real scoop. -Mark ILIO http://www.ilio.com >Hi, > >Eli wrote, >> I saw this announcement on Harmony Central, and it looks awesome. A huge >> new orchestral sample library is being put together in, among other >> formats, EXS! >> >> http://www.harmony-central.com/News/2002/ILIO-VSL-Distribution.html >> >> It looks SWEEEEET! It's by Spectrasonics and so surely will be >> groundbreaking. Eric, is there anything more you can tell us about this >> mammoth undertaking? > Fernstudio said: >I'm sure that Eric will chime in (and he certainly can speak for himself). > I >don't believe that this library is created by Eric. Ilio is distributing it >but it is a different company (from Europe) that is creating this library. > It >certainly looks like it will be awesome. I've heard that it will be >awesomely >expensive as well. I've only read rumours (as there is no real pricing >info) >but the full library is expected to run about $10,000 US. There will be >smaller bundles which are more affordable form the prelim info that I've >read. >It does look like it will be amazing though. > >Best regards, >Fernstudio > >p.s. - I remember Eric stating on this list that they are looking more at >creating apps (such as Stylus, Atmosphere, Trilogy rather than sample >libraries) in the future. > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send a blank email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com >For a list of places to get free samples please see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/ > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

on 8/28/02 3:56 PM, yael at yael@... wrote: > please go to a real "Orchestra concert Hall " , listen to music and learn... > it will cost you less and will be much better ! > > igor Yes but it won't cost you less when you want to book them. Besides they won't fit in my little home studio. The tuba and Timpani alone would be trouble enough. DC

----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hiskey Correct, the Vienna Symphonic Library has nothing to do with Eric or Spectrasonics. It's being produced in Vienna, Austria by the Vienna Symphonic Library and being distributed in the Americas by ILIO. Igor's skepticism notwithstanding, ;) it will be a groundbreaking library. All announcements of pricing and release dates will be made at the AES convention October 6, right around the corner. Meanwhile check out their website: http://www.vsl.co.at to get the real scoop. -Mark ILIO ***************** Hi , i'm not septic in the product Mark, It sounds like the other Orchestra product and it is good to be able to hear a "kind" of Strings Oboe Tuba sound :) this is just my Point of view. I prefere to have a "price reduction" ticket to rent a real Orchestra ! the "Vienna" name is off course a marketing way to sell something to someone... In Vienna, there is good orchestra and Bad orchestra, Vienna is a generic name for nothing ! it is like the "America orchestra" :) it means nothing... and for a cd rom, is the Quality of an orchestra important ? I mean to play notes 1 by 1 a 10 years old boy can do it ! it is a bad way to speak to people... people are not "MOW" ! you know :) It is not because I bought a PEN that I'm a book writer. It is not because I buy a brush that I'm a good painter. What is the "PLUS" in VLS ? where is the better value in the product ? igor

----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Chapman To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:47 AM Subject: Re: [exs] New Vienna Symphonic library on 8/28/02 3:56 PM, yael at yael@... wrote: > please go to a real "Orchestra concert Hall " , listen to music and learn... > it will cost you less and will be much better ! > > igor Yes but it won't cost you less when you want to book them. Besides they won't fit in my little home studio. The tuba and Timpani alone would be trouble enough. DC ********* not true Dan... some student from "High Music school" can help you for free sometimes... and they are not so bad ! in music... there is possibilities to be played today, it is just a n opportunity question and to be around in the Orchestra bussiness.... 1 contract with real Orchestra can get you an entire carrier in Orchestra Music and a real personnal satisfaction :) cd are "Ersatz" :) I don't blame anybody here of course but I think it is better to never forget that CDR ar NOT a real Orchestra. igor

Hi Igor, I feel compelled to respond to your inaccurate posts. I'm sorry to say that your comments are coming off in a very rude manner. Based on your comments, I'm guessing that you really haven't checked out this VSL project much at all. I think you need to take a closer look at that VSL website. (Let me state again that I have absolutely nothing to do with this library, and don't make a penny off of it....I've just been checking out their process and the project and I'm blown away at what they are attempting here...it's nothing short of mind blowing in scope). You statements are WAY off the mark and show very little knowledge of sampling or of orchestral sample libraries. Sure working with any live orchestra is great and always preferrable....but since this is a forum about sampling, then let's stick to the topic..OK? Your argument is silly....sure ANY real instrument played well is always better to have than a sampled simulation....but there are obviously many people who find it very useful to have samplers to do mockups, orchestration, education, demos, film trailers, commercials, low budget projects, etc.....this shouldn't be news to you. With sampling orchestral instruments in particular, the quality of the musicians is incredibly important and the location of the players often affects the end result dramatically Professional String players in Hollywood, London, or Vienna each have a unique and identifiable sound and playing style...and there is a HUGE difference between sampling amatuer players and pro studio or concert level players. I've done it both ways and there's no comparison. Only the musicians who have a masterful command and control of their instrument, plus a great tone and expressiveness (with large doses of patience and good temperment) can make high quality multisamples. It is a rare to find all these qualities even amongst pro musicians. The more you learn about this incredible VSL project they are doing, you will see that there are very few cities in the world that could even attempt a project of this magnitude. It would be unthinkable to do in the US for cultural reasons alone. This is by far the most impressive ( and expensive) feat of sampling ever undertaken. The sampling sessions for each musician went on for 6 months to a year or more! (normally sampling sessions are from a couple of hours to a week maximum for any library) 45 highly skilled people editing 1.5 million samples over a several year period....Custom orchestral sampling soundstage and recording studio studio designed and built just for this project!.......geez, at least show them a little respect by not being so negative about it....it takes some serious balls to attempt something like this, and I for one salute them for the amazing thing there are doing here.....there is really nothing else on the market like it. Just go to the site and read about what kind of magnitude this thing is (5 TERABYTES guys!) and you'll see that this is hardly a "marketing" gimmick.....that's really an insult to the dedication these people have put into this thing. I know that I'm very curious and excited to check it out more in depth at the upcoming AES show. Best regards, Eric Persing Chief Sound Designer Spectrasonics Roland Corporation

PersingEP@... wrote: > This is by far the most impressive ( and expensive) > feat of sampling ever undertaken. > magnitude this thing is (5 > TERABYTES guys!) and you'll see that this is hardly a "marketing" > gimmick.... > I know that I'm very curious and excited to check it out more in depth at the > upcoming AES show. The one thing that really caught my eye about this product was that it is announced for EXS native format (among others). Eric, do you know anything about how they are going to make this sheeer quantity of samples manageable in something like the EXS? How are the EXS instruments going to be layed out to deal with multiple articulations, velocity crossfading, etc. -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

I've just bought Stylus and am v impressed with it - there was some blurb advertising a bass trilogy and pad inst. supplied with it. Does anyone know when these are coming out? Joe M Disclaimer This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bridgwater College. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender.

Yes, all the info is on their website, where you purchased Stylus. Sept - Oct. respectively......... --- In exs-users@y..., Joe Moretti <morettij@b...> wrote: > I've just bought Stylus and am v impressed with it - there was some blurb > advertising a bass trilogy and pad inst. supplied with it. > > Does anyone know when these are coming out? > > > > Joe M > > > > Disclaimer > > This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual > to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Bridgwater College. If you > are not the intended recipient, be advised that any use, dissemination, > forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this email in error please contact the sender. > > > > >

>orchestra is great and always preferrable....but since this is a forum about >sampling, then let's stick to the topic..OK? yep, sorry... >Custom orchestral >sampling soundstage and recording studio studio designed and built just for >this project!.......geez, at least show them a little respect by not being so >negative about it....it takes some serious balls to attempt something like >this, and I for one salute them for the amazing thing there are doing <here.....there is really nothing else on the market like it. it is not some negative thoughts, it is a reflexion about sampling/orchestra .... >Just go to the site and read about what kind of magnitude this thing is (5 >TERABYTES guys!) and you'll see that this is hardly a "marketing" >gimmick.....that's really an insult to the dedication these people have put >into this thing. I've got respect for the job of people but I don't see your point ... it can be 45895698 terabytes too. It sounds like " who's got the bigger ! " :) But I'm like you, I will wait to try the Library and play with... sorry if I've disturbed the EXS List , my apologize to all. igor

Desole Igor, but I for one do not accept your apology. That's because I don't think you have to apologize! We should all feel comfortable enough to be as critical as we want concerning new librairies/approaches. The last thing I need is to have this forum become so tame that we all fear a professional like EP coming down hard on us if we dare to share our opinions with the group. Go ahead and disturb - that's how we remain vital. Ned > sorry if I've disturbed the EXS List , my apologize to all. > > igor http://www.nedfx.com Ned Bouhalassa n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

In a message dated 8/29/02 5:08:26 AM, elik@... writes: >The one thing that really caught my eye about this product was that it >is >announced for EXS native format (among others). Eric, do you know anything >about >how they are going to make this sheeer quantity of samples manageable in >something like the EXS? How are the EXS instruments going to be layed out >to >deal with multiple articulations, velocity crossfading, etc. I don't know....maybe Mark from ILIO knows. -EP

In a message dated 8/29/02 5:49:56 AM, morettij@... writes: >I've just bought Stylus and am v impressed with it - there was some blurb >advertising a bass trilogy and pad inst. supplied with it. > > Does anyone know when these are coming out? Putting the finishing touches on Atmosphere as we speak (write?). It's coming out amazing, and I'm really happy with it. Shipping next month if all goes smoothly. Trilogy Bass Module shortly following. Back to work...... -EP

In a message dated 8/29/02 8:50:31 AM, technodork_2000@... writes: >Yes, all the info is on their website, where you purchased Stylus. >Sept - Oct. respectively......... Bump that a month...October/November respectively. -EP

In a message dated 8/29/02 9:15:50 AM, yael@... writes: >I've got respect for the job of people but I don't see your point ... >it can be 45895698 terabytes too. >It sounds like " who's got the bigger ! " :) True, and I'm a firm believer in quality versus quantity. In this case, theres a strong likelihood that it is both...which is truly extrodinary. When you see *why* this concept needs the space....it's for all the articulations and in-between the notes stuff....which is where are the current orch libraries fall way short. Also, you will be able to buy it in all kinds of flavors, big and small. The advantage for the pro composer is that all the articulations and phrasings are available for each instrument in every dynamic if you want them. If you don't need them, then you'll be able to get it more like a normal library for less money and expand from there. (At least that's how I understand it...Mark can clarify this if I'm wrong. I'm sure that much more detail about the pricing and structuring will be announced at AES.) It's really the ideal thing that everyone has been asking for....a flexible, expandable, upgradable and more importantly "matching" set of every articulations of every instrument in the orchestra. Pulling this off is no simple task, which is why I really admire and respect this effort they have made......extremely impressive. > >But I'm like you, I will wait to try the Library and play with... > >sorry if I've disturbed the EXS List , my apologize to all. No worries Igor! Your opinions are totally valid, and I agree with much of what you said...I just wanted to set the record straight about how truly incredible this thing is going to be. All the best, EP

In a message dated 8/29/02 9:33:30 AM, ned@... writes: >We should all feel comfortable enough to be as critical as we want >concerning new librairies/approaches. The last thing I need is to have >this >forum become so tame that we all fear a professional like EP coming down > >hard on us if we dare to share our opinions with the group. > >Go ahead and disturb - that's how we remain vital. I agree 100% Ned.....everyone should feel free to express themselves here....it's an open forum. I just wanted to pass along more of the info I know about the project, so that people have the right idea about it. MY apologies if it came across as too harsh.... Best regards, EP

Eli wrote: >The one thing that really caught my eye about this product was that it is >announced for EXS native format (among others). Eric, do you know anything >about >how they are going to make this sheeer quantity of samples manageable in >something like the EXS? How are the EXS instruments going to be layed out to >deal with multiple articulations, velocity crossfading, etc. All I can say for sure is that Vienna's software people have been working with Emagic to address the issues of dealing with such a large number of articulations and performance elements. The end results promise to be great for both the library and for EXS users. More info will be forthcoming in October. -Mark ILIO

> All I can say for sure is that Vienna's software people have been > working with Emagic to address the issues of dealing with such a large > number of articulations and performance elements. The end results > promise to be great for both the library and for EXS users. More info > will be forthcoming in October. Wow.. That's probably the best EXS news I've ever heard!! Jeremy http://www.ixks.com/~sadus

I have to do an arrangement of a song called "Midway," and I'm looking for a real beefy, authentic calliope sample or similar. Kind of like the sound of the big carousels at Disneyland or the Santa Monica Pier. Anybody have any leads on these? TIA Sean McCoy Oregon Sound Recording

Hey All, More sample CD news for us EXSers: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Platinum24-Grand-Piano.html It seems Wizoo is releasing a double CD Rom set of piano samples from the ones used in Steinberg's "The Grand" VSTi. It is coming in, among other formats, EXS format! I wonder how it will stack up to the VSTi version. It seems to be reasonably priced at $139 US. -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

As I mentioned in the past, the The Grand does not function properly in Logic. I haven't tested it in 5.2 yet, but it failed miserably in 5.1. Regardless, you'll be much better off with the EXS version. > other formats, EXS format! I wonder how it will stack up to the VSTi > version. It seems to be reasonably priced at $139 US.