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From: "deepermusic" <alex.gibson1 ...> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 at 5:06:06 AM Subject: Re: newbie question involving preformance |
Message #3876 This is a reply to #3854. |
While I'm afraid I can't give you any performance tips with
Windows (anyone else?), I can tell you that you should be able to
get more out of logic and the EXS24 than this. I'm running Logic
4.8.1 on a Mac G3 450mhz with only 256mb ram and I can run
loads of instances of the EXS24 just fine. I'm sure someone on
this group can assist you.
Best of luck,
Alex
--- In exs-users@y..., rueben derrick <peterpan@o...> wrote:
> Hello Helpers
>
> I am been having heaps of fun with this exs24 but due to being
human
> the first thing I did was push it the the limit, heaps of
instruments
> and effect bla bla, and to my surprise all the things people told
me
> about virtual instruments being expensive on cpu resources
were
> correct:-)
>
> So I was hoping someone could give me a rough estimate on
what level
> of performance I should be getting out of LAP 8.1 running on
win2000
> (fine) Audiophile 24/96 soundcard, 450 processor and 500
ram. How many
> exs24 instruments should I be able to run?Because at the
moment my
> system struggles with 3 upwards.
>
> Some tips would be great, or at least somewhere I can find
tips on
> such issues?
>
> Also how do I extend the virtual memory associated the the
exs24?
>
> Thank you in advance Rueben
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From: PersingEP... Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 at 5:17:43 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Re: convertor question |
Message #3877 |
In a message dated 3/22/02 1:04:12 AM, exs@... writes:
>I made a lot of demo of the Mac
>version during the MusikMesse and people were very impressed by the
>realtime playback of Roland loops. The "Distorted Reality"
disc is a very
>good example for that purpose.
Wow Bernard!!
Good job....if ever there was and "Unconvertable" disc that would
be it...I
did a lot of crazy stuff on DR1
All the best,
Eric Persing
Spectrasonics
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From: "jeppenystroem" <jeppenystroem...> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 at 7:31:19 AM Subject: Good sounds anyone? |
Message #3878 |
Hello
Anyone knows any site where I can dl some good sounds for exs24
...> replied on Sun, 24 Mar 2002 at 8:05:50 AM|
From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck...> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 at 8:05:50 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Good sounds anyone? |
Message #3879 This is a reply to #3878. |
> Anyone knows any site where I can dl some good sounds for exs24
Here's a bunch of links:
http://www.cone.nl/test/exs.htm
and in addition you may want to visit:
http://www.first-wave.de/downloads/f_downloads.html
Regards,
Sascha
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From: <HELP...> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 at 11:09:10 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Good sounds anyone? |
Message #3880 This is a reply to #3879. |
Another: http://www.ontology.com/samples.html
>> Anyone knows any site where I can dl some good sounds for exs24
>
> Here's a bunch of links:
> http://www.cone.nl/test/exs.htm
> and in addition you may want to visit:
> http://www.first-wave.de/downloads/f_downloads.html
>
> Regards,
> Sascha
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From: theambertheatre <theambertheatre...> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 12:39:46 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Good sounds anyone? |
Message #3881 This is a reply to #3878. |
http://www.ontology.com/exs24/
http://www.esoundz.com/soundz.html
http://www.first-wave-music.de/
http://www.saschafranck.de/exs/
http://www.ontology.com/exs24/
http://www.esoundz.com/soundz.html
http://home.snafu.de/petrosil/environments.html
http://www.cone.nl/test/exs.htm
ftp://ftp.akaipro.co.jp/downloads/sound_libraries/
http://www.lotusthrone.com/exs/
http://www.vidavision.com/entertainment/stefan/
http://www.zoolabmusic.com/index.html?page=downloads.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/files/EXS24%20Instruments/MPC%2020
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http://dancetools.free.fr/
http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/h/soft/soft.html
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From: PersingEP... Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 1:32:28 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Sascha Rex trick |
Message #3882 |
Hey Sascha....got my 5.0 running, but how do you do that audition in sync
trick with REX2 files?
I can't remember what you said before. Please repeat the procedure.
Thanks!
-EP
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From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck...> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 2:02:17 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Sascha Rex trick |
Message #3883 This is a reply to #3882. |
Hi Eric,
> Hey Sascha....got my 5.0 running, but how do you do that audition in
sync
> trick with REX2 files?
>
> I can't remember what you said before. Please repeat the procedure.
Actually there's multiple ways:
- Shift+Pencil click on an audio track - the usual "old" procedure
to import
an audiofile straight into your arrange ("old" because now you can
also drag
them straight from explorer/finder).
- "Add audio file" from the audio window.
- Exs editor > instrument > any of the Recycle convert options.
All these will play a selected .rx2 file in the current song's tempo.
Additional note: On Windows (I don't know why, but this doesn't work on
Macs) you can keep your EXS UI opened and select sounds while the audio file
selection window is opened as well.
Having said that, I have my "general purpose loops" twice on my
HDD, both
using the same folder tree structure, one of them are straight .rx2 files
for previewing purposes, the others are allready converted EXS files. Now,
whenever I find a suitable loop using the preview function, I can load it
straight into the EXS as well and continue looking for a better one. If I
don't find any I just close the preview window while the best one is in the
EXS allready. Whenever I find a better one, I choose that in the EXS.
This is a great feature that I love, but as said, so far it's only available
on Windows.
Regards,
Sascha
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From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck...> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 2:13:22 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Sascha Rex trick |
Message #3884 This is a reply to #3883. |
Uhm, I just wanted to add: Pre-audition of REX files won't happen in sync,
just in song tempo.
Regards,
Sascha
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From: PersingEP... Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 4:50:50 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Sascha Rex trick |
Message #3885 |
Thanks!
-EP
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From: "Martin, Jeremy" <sadus...> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 10:32:05 AM Subject: 'switching within patches' in 5.2! |
Message #3886 |
This was posted by Murray McDowall <murraymc@...> in the LUG,
talking about the Logic demo he saw by Phil Jackson running 5.2 w/ Logic
Control etc...
"-- Got a glimpse of a set of a forthcoming set of enhancements to the
EXS24
including (according to Phil) switching within patches -- eg pizz strings/
marcato Strings (a la Gigasampler) - apparently a set of enhancements to
the Instrument editor are also due sometime soon."
So no need to get Gigasampler anymore. Now I wonder if Kontact will actually
do anything useful that can't be reproduced in Reaktor, I might only have to
buy one sampler my whole life. :-)
So I wonder if AKAI cd's (e.g. Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra) come
built with multiple articulations etc in the same patch, or do you have to
just import each articulation separate and create the instrument manually in
EXS24? I wonder if Garth will need to work with Emagic to get Translator to
import this properly into the new .exs instrument format
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From: <HELP...> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 10:45:18 AM Subject: Re: [exs] 'switching within patches' in 5.2! |
Message #3887 This is a reply to #3886. |
I'm still waiting for velocity crossfade switching among other things. When
will they get that going I wonder... Jer
> "-- Got a glimpse of a set of a forthcoming set of enhancements to
the EXS24
> including (according to Phil) switching within patches -- eg pizz
strings/
> marcato Strings (a la Gigasampler) - apparently a set of enhancements
to
> the Instrument editor are also due sometime soon."
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From: "Bernard Chavonnet" <exs...> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 2:17:22 PM Subject: RE: Translator question |
Message #3888 |
>The other bonus is that I have some Roland CD-Roms as well as some E-mu
CD-Roms
>and Translator can translate those too. Translator handles the Roland
emphasis
>curve
Is it just me ? But when I convert a Roland patch to the EXS24 format with
and without the deemphasis and even though I see "de-emphasizing
sample"
on the progress window, every time both .wav files sound exactly the same.
I don't trust my ears enough, so I used Wavelab to compare the original
sample and the de-emphasized sample and there is not a single bit of
difference between the 2 files. A pure placebo effect !
Bernard
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From: fernstudio... Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 2:35:56 PM Subject: RE: [exs] RE: Translator question |
Message #3889 |
Hi,
Bernard wrote,
> Is it just me ? But when I convert a Roland patch to the EXS24 format
with
> and without the deemphasis and even though I see "de-emphasizing
sample"
> on the progress window, every time both .wav files sound exactly the
same.
> I don't trust my ears enough, so I used Wavelab to compare the original
> sample and the de-emphasized sample and there is not a single bit of
> difference between the 2 files. A pure placebo effect !
Well, there are quite a few options for the Roland Emphasis curves. I don't
recall what the default settings are but there are a few options. You can
have the authentic Roland curve, darker, lighter, standard (Translator's
original
curve for Roland coversion), special and custom. It can also be enabled or
disabled as well. Is it possible that perhaps it is disabled but a message
is displayed where it normally applies the de-emphasis?
I tried it out when I first got Translator and it worked fine for me. I
didn't
compare it to a S-760 (as I don't own one anymore) but there *was* a
difference.
I'll have to remember to try it out again tonight when I have some time.
Interesting that you're trying to make a wave here when you are the
developer
for Translator's main competition. I'm sure Garth could be here and other
places
trying to point out things that he may have found in your product but I
don't
see him doing that. Hm-m-m-m
Fernstudio
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From: PersingEP... Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 3:36:52 PM Subject: Re: [exs] RE: Translator question |
Message #3890 |
In a message dated 3/25/02 11:18:28 AM, exs@... writes:
>Is it just me ? But when I convert a Roland patch to the EXS24 format
with
>and without the deemphasis and even though I see "de-emphasizing
sample"
>on the progress window, every time both .wav files sound exactly the
same.
>I don't trust my ears enough, so I used Wavelab to compare the original
>sample and the de-emphasized sample and there is not a single bit of
>difference between the 2 files. A pure placebo effect !
Bernard...your Roland deemphasis in Cd-Xtractr doesn't work
correctly...that's why there's no audible difference in the files. The
Roland
emphasis curve is HUGE (about 20db at 18k) so it is VERY audible and easily
measurable. This is why we have used Translator for this conversion in the
past, Garth has a lot of different versions of the Roland de-emph curve that
have been tweaked by ear as well as by scope. You can't do it properly by
numbers alone. The info that Roland has for documentation of the curve is
incomplete to do it this way.
This is an area that should be improved in Cd-Xtract in my opinion. (Try it
with a Cymbal and you can hear the difference VERY easily). It's no
placebo...that's for sure!
Eric Persing
Creative Director, Spectrasonics
Chief Sound Designer, Roland Corp
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From: "spamisevil2001" <spamisevil2001...> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 at 10:52:50 PM Subject: LAPM reattaching audio files |
Message #3891 |
Using LPM 4.8.2 I seem to have lost the connection between the
exs24 instruments and the samples. Is there any way to fix this
globally? So far it seems the only way to fix it is to choose each
and every zone and manually rechoose the audio files. Here is
what happened:
I have installed an external firewire drive and copied all of my
samples to that drive. After the fact, I discoverred that the EXS24
software didn't want me to do that, it wanted me to open every
exs instrument and chose MOVE AUDIOFILES from the
INSTRUMENT menu. I assumed that the software would operate
the way the AUDIO WINDOW in Logic works: if it doesn't find a
file, it comes up with a dialogue box saying it found the file
somewhere and do I want to choose that file. However, in
EXS24, there does not seem to be such a utility to simply ask the
software to search all attached drives for the audio files you
need. I have tried copying aliases of the folders I need to the
place where the files used to work, but that has not worked for
me.
So I reinstalled the Factory presets, figuring that they would be
put in the right place by the installer. And my plan was that once I
had confirmed that they were working properly, I would delete the
files I had copied over to the external drive way back in part 1. Ha!
I chose the external drive during the install procedure, but it does
not matter which exs24 factory instrument I choose, it cannot
locate the correct files and always reports the audio file
connected to zone #1 as 'not found.' I have spent five hours trying
to figure this one out now, and I am stumped. HELP!!!
John
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From: Michael Karlsson <micke.karlsson...> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 at 3:00:51 AM Subject: Re: [exs] LAPM reattaching audio files |
Message #3892 This is a reply to #3891. |
Open the EXS, choose edit and go into the edit menu.
Open Preferences and choose "Search samples on: External Volumes"
Have you done that? Does it help?
Michael
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Ämne: [exs] LAPM reattaching audio files
Using LPM 4.8.2 I seem to have lost the connection between the
exs24 instruments and the samples. Is there any way to fix this
globally? So far it seems the only way to fix it is to choose each
and every zone and manually rechoose the audio files. Here is
what happened:
I have installed an external firewire drive and copied all of my
samples to that drive. After the fact, I discoverred that the EXS24
software didn't want me to do that, it wanted me to open every
exs instrument and chose MOVE AUDIOFILES from the
INSTRUMENT menu. I assumed that the software would operate
the way the AUDIO WINDOW in Logic works: if it doesn't find a
file, it comes up with a dialogue box saying it found the file
somewhere and do I want to choose that file. However, in
EXS24, there does not seem to be such a utility to simply ask the
software to search all attached drives for the audio files you
need. I have tried copying aliases of the folders I need to the
place where the files used to work, but that has not worked for
me.
So I reinstalled the Factory presets, figuring that they would be
put in the right place by the installer. And my plan was that once I
had confirmed that they were working properly, I would delete the
files I had copied over to the external drive way back in part 1. Ha!
I chose the external drive during the install procedure, but it does
not matter which exs24 factory instrument I choose, it cannot
locate the correct files and always reports the audio file
connected to zone #1 as 'not found.' I have spent five hours trying
to figure this one out now, and I am stumped. HELP!!!
John
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From: "Kurt Heinecke" <kurt.heinecke...> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 at 5:10:15 AM Subject: Re: switching within patches |
Message #3893 |
> I'm curious in what way patches switch (how is it done in Giga?)?
Ensoniq had a
> good thing going with their patch select buttons- I still use mine a
lot.
I've got the akai Siedlaczek library- There has been little combining done-
I would
expect more for this price. As an example, clarinet...loud and soft
sustained notes
are separate patches, but it's VERY easy to combine these in exs and do
velocity
switching, though with only 2 levels, some patches can be pretty noticable
when
switching. Then you have 14 other clarinet patches...staccato, grace notes,
runs,
flutter, etc. You could combine these into an exs patch however you'd like.
With
some sort of switching enhancement, you could do a lot....
Kurt
>
>
> "-- Got a glimpse of a set of a forthcoming set of enhancements to
the EXS24
> including (according to Phil) switching within patches -- eg pizz
strings/
> marcato Strings (a la Gigasampler) - apparently a set of enhancements
to
> the Instrument editor are also due sometime soon."
>
> So I wonder if AKAI cd's (e.g. Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra)
come
> built with multiple articulations etc in the same patch, or do you have
to
> just import each articulation separate and create the instrument
manually in
> EXS24?
>
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From: <HELP...> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 at 6:29:09 AM Subject: Re: [exs] Re: switching within patches |
Message #3894 This is a reply to #3893. |
Again, this is a good example of when velocity cross-fade switching would be
very, very helpful. EMAGIC: I HOPE YOU ARE LISTENING!!! -Jer
> From: "Kurt Heinecke" <kurt.heinecke@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 05:10:15 -0600
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [exs] Re: switching within patches
>
>> I'm curious in what way patches switch (how is it done in Giga?)?
Ensoniq
>> had a
>> good thing going with their patch select buttons- I still use mine
a lot.
>
> I've got the akai Siedlaczek library- There has been little combining
done- I
> would
> expect more for this price. As an example, clarinet...loud and soft
sustained
> notes
> are separate patches, but it's VERY easy to combine these in exs and do
> velocity
> switching, though with only 2 levels, some patches can be pretty
noticable
> when
> switching. Then you have 14 other clarinet patches...staccato, grace
notes,
> runs,
> flutter, etc. You could combine these into an exs patch however you'd
like.
> With
> some sort of switching enhancement, you could do a lot....
> Kurt
>
>>
>>
>> "-- Got a glimpse of a set of a forthcoming set of
enhancements to the EXS24
>> including (according to Phil) switching within patches -- eg pizz
strings/
>> marcato Strings (a la Gigasampler) - apparently a set of
enhancements to
>> the Instrument editor are also due sometime soon."
>>
>> So I wonder if AKAI cd's (e.g. Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced
Orchestra) come
>> built with multiple articulations etc in the same patch, or do you
have to
>> just import each articulation separate and create the instrument
manually in
>> EXS24?
>>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Bernard Chavonnet" <exs...> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 at 1:40:03 PM Subject: Re: deemphasis |
Message #3895 |
> Bernard...your Roland deemphasis in Cd-Xtractr doesn't work
> correctly...that's why there's no audible difference in the files. The
Roland
> emphasis curve is HUGE (about 20db at 18k) so it is VERY audible and
easily
> measurable. This is why we have used Translator for this conversion in
the
> past, Garth has a lot of different versions of the Roland de-emph curve
that
> have been tweaked by ear as well as by scope. You can't do it properly
by
> numbers alone. The info that Roland has for documentation of the curve
is
> incomplete to do it this way.
Thank you Eric for this precious information, but you misunderstood me. I
didn't say that I can't hear the difference with the deemphasis filter
included
in CDxtract, as a matter of fact I do hear it. I just wanted to compare it
with the different deemphasis filters of Translator. That's why I tried to
convert several Roland discs to various formats and with the "Authentic
deemphasis" activated. And because I didn't hear the difference this
time
I had this simple idea to make a binary comparaison with the original
samples and found that even when I clearly see "de-emphasizing"
sample
in the conversion process, the samples are not filtered at all.
Try yourself. If you have the same problem then it's probably a very simple
bug that will take less than 5 minutes to fix. I'm sure that there really
is a deemphasis filter in Translator, my problem is that I cannot get it to
work.
What I want to do is simply convert the same Roland sample with the
2 softwares and make a binary comparaison of the 2 converted .wav
files.
Bernard
PS : Actually I didn't use any Roland
documentation to make my deemphasis filter, I have just analyzed and copied
the deemphasis filter that is included in my S760, this is for me much more
accurate than tweaking an EQ (moreover I don't have your ears :-)
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From: "johnfraserfindlay" <bluehart...> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 at 2:30:32 PM Subject: global edit...options |
Message #3896 |
I'm wondering if there's a way to globally edit all zones/samples.
Specifically loop/one shot and disable pitch options.
JF
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From: "yael" <yael...> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 at 3:19:16 PM Subject: Re: [exs] global edit...options |
Message #3897 This is a reply to #3896. |
----- Original Message -----
From: johnfraserfindlay
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: [exs] global edit...options
I'm wondering if there's a way to globally edit all zones/samples.
Specifically loop/one shot and disable pitch options.
JF
***********
for the Pitch option, if u press SHIFT while unselect the Pitch it will do
it on every Zones ( don't forget to select all ZONES before...)
Igor
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From: Murray McDowall <murraymc...> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 at 4:10:30 PM Subject: Re: [exs] Re: switching within patches |
Message #3898 This is a reply to #3894. |
At 07:29 AM 26/03/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Again, this is a good example of when velocity cross-fade switching
would be
>>> "-- Got a glimpse of a set of a forthcoming set of
enhancements to the
EXS24
>>> including (according to Phil) switching within patches -- eg
pizz strings/
>>> marcato Strings (a la Gigasampler) - apparently a set of
enhancements to
>>> the Instrument editor are also due sometime soon."
>>>
just further to this quote of my LUG post:
I did not hear Phil Jackson mention mention of any specific timetable for
the sorts of enhancements he spoke of. He talked about where the EXS24 is
heading -- eg toward possible Gigastudio format compatability perhaps and
Roland format compatibility.
At one point he flipped open the extras editor for parameters at the bottom
of the EXS GUI and there were like 40 parameters instead of the 8 or 10 in
4.8. He said we might get a second page of the GUI or something. Things
like velocity crossfading and switching were part of the revamp of EXS as
was improving the editor.
He also mentioned better access to rapidly stepping through patches --eg
declare a "Performance" directory and have the option of stepping
with the
up and down arrows through the patches there.
Hopefully we'll see these enhancements in 5.2 or perhaps later in the year.
The EXS24 is such a great tool I really hope they make building
instruments and auditioning patches easier.
Regards,
Murray
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From: <HELP...> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 at 4:27:11 PM Subject: Re: [exs] global edit...options |
Message #3899 This is a reply to #3897. |
Holding down either the Apple or Option key (I forget which) after selecting
all zones will apply a change to all zones when you click or unclick the
checkbox parameter, such as "one-shot." -Jer
> From: "yael" <yael@...>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:19:16 +0100
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> Subject: Re: [exs] global edit...options
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> From: johnfraserfindlay
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:30 PM
> Subject: [exs] global edit...options
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> I'm wondering if there's a way to globally edit all zones/samples.
> Specifically loop/one shot and disable pitch options.
> JF
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> for the Pitch option, if u press SHIFT while unselect the Pitch it will
do
> it on every Zones ( don't forget to select all ZONES before...)
> Igor
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From: <HELP...> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 at 4:29:59 PM Subject: Re: [exs] Re: switching within patches |
Message #3900 This is a reply to #3898. |
Thank you for sharing these insights. It's very encouraging to hear that
Emagic is weighing these issues. I hope they understand the importance of
it. I wonder if they'll include multiple outputs, filter-per sample, etc.
> At one point he flipped open the extras editor for parameters at the
bottom
> of the EXS GUI and there were like 40 parameters instead of the 8 or 10
in
> 4.8. He said we might get a second page of the GUI or something. Things
> like velocity crossfading and switching were part of the revamp of EXS
as
> was improving the editor.
>
> He also mentioned better access to rapidly stepping through patches
--eg
> declare a "Performance" directory and have the option of
stepping with the
> up and down arrows through the patches there.
>
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