<HELP@...> wrote: > I'm very curious about examples of synths that have zone-specific > filtering. I was not aware of this. I made my analysis based on list-user > complaints that the filters sometimes load their CPUs heavily. I imagined > the same powerful filter assigned to each key in the instrument and surmised > that this would make such instruments unusable to many EXS owners. I'm sure > there are ways to implement programming where there's some kind of load > balancing. But to have the EXS' powerful filter available individually to > each sample would be jaw-dropping to say the least. As I also own HALion I must say that of course such a filter flexibility is nice to have, but boy, it can certainly make your CPU throw up. Also, what I like with the EXS is that you can clearly see your groupings, a think that HALion (as some sort of tradeoff) doesn't offer. I would however like to see a bit of improvements in the EXS filter section, there should at least be useful further modes such as highpass, bandpass and notch. That would allready make the filter way more flexible. Anyways, from a more positive point of view: The EXS filter IMO sounds pretty much better than those of the competitors (I had to compare Virtual Sampler, VolksZampler, HALion and the EXS once). Regards, Sascha

> Hey, I just stumbled across the following site: > http://www.zoolabmusic.com/ (thanks to Hendrik Jan Veenstra, he posted that > one on the LUG). > Now, when you go to their download section you'll find some Nord Modular > samples. And, what nice dudes they are, these samples are perfectly looped, > so creating EXS patches is no deal at all. > And as if that wasn't good enough allready, I created some simple EXS > patches out of them. > And hey, I even went a bit further and created some patches making more or > less intense use of the EXS own synthesis options. So, go download the > samples, unzip them onto your preferred EXS samples partition (use different > folders as there are some samples of the same name) and then get the EXS > instrument files here: > www.saschafranck.de/zoolab_nord_modular.zip (only 14kb) > > This file contains three sort of patches (divided into two zips to make > things more clear): > > Zip 1 ("SamplerInstruments.zip"): > 1) Very basic EXS instruments only containing some keymapping. No UI > settings are applied to them. > Here's a great tip, btw: You can load any patch with some nice sounding > Filter, LFO and whatever settings, then load the "raw" patches from the zip > and voila, the filter settings are applied to that patch. > > 2) Some combined EXS instruments, still using the same samples from the > zoolab site, but also using some combinations, such as L/R detuned zones of > different instruments. Still no UI settings are applied, so you can use the > tip from 1). > Not much yet, maybe more later. > > Put both of these patches into your "Sampler Instruments" directory (I > recommend unzipping while preserving the directory structures) > > Zip 2 (PluginSettings.zip): > 3) Some Plugin Settings (.PST). These are using the patches from 1) and 2) > but also make use of the EXS synthesis. > Put those into "Plugin-SettingsEXS24". > Again, not too much yet. > > ***Small Alert*** > All the "NordPuls" patches are using samples of the same name. They aren't > the same though but as the EXS will have to search your samples, keep an eye > on what samples these will be. I tried to give the EXS instruments > appropriate names, also there's just three "NordPuls" sample folders, so the > EXS should give you all necessary options to choose from (unless on your > drive there's more samples using exactly the same names). > > Hope you like these patches a bit, maybe I will do some more and also some > patches for their Waldorf Pulse samples as well. Oh, and maybe it'd be a > nice idea to exchange both EXS patches and Plugin-settings based on these > samples, no? > > Last note: I didn't do a set for the "Nordkit" yet and I won't as I don't > use the EXS for drums anymore. I haven't checked the patches yet, but I wanted to ask you... If you don¹t use the EXS for drums, what do you use???? David Tobin Wow and Flutter music - Arranging, technology, general wellbeing.....

David Tobin wrote: > I haven't checked the patches yet, but I wanted to ask you... If you don¹t > use the EXS for drums, what do you use???? FXpansions DR-008. Similar to N.I.s Battery but from what I can tell from fooling around with Battery on a friends machine, I prefer it quite a bit. Unfortunately it's PC only (yet?), but many of my wishes have been realized with that thing as I've been one of the first testers. Guess for natural sounding drums I'd return to the EXS though as soon as Logic supports multiple outs and the EXS editor will be redone. HALion might be a good choice then too, but Steinberg needs to fix the sample management issue urgently. Regards, Sascha

>I haven't checked the patches yet, but I wanted to ask you... If you don¹t >use the EXS for drums, what do you use???? I'm not Sascha, but I can recommend 1. Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to favour that. 2. FXpansion Dr-008 is also a very good drumsampler, with additional synth drum modules en several levels of editing. That's why it takes some more time to master it. That's kept me from using it a lot until now, compared to Battery. It's however more flexible than everything else on the market (and has a very good price!). Not much working content included though. FXpansion being a small company Sascha has a point in stating that user wishes will be implemented faster than with NI. Although the guys at NI are also quite communicative. DR-008 can be considered as combining the best of both worlds of NI's Battery (samples - no filter) and Waldorf's Attack (analog synthdrums with filtering and delay effects) on a kind of 'budget' level. Don't get me wrong about that. It's not a budget machine in that kind of way! BTW: I downloaded the NordKit for use in Battery and DR-008 :-). Nice synth drums! Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica www.galbatron.com music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron

On 12/18/01 11:08 AM, "yael" <yael@...> wrote: > >> >Do you see how absurd this reason is? No matter how you put it - you are >> >justifying theft. That's like saying you can go into a car dealership and, >> >because your hobby is collecting cars, it is okay to simply take one ofthe >> >new Mercedes on the lot since you only do it as a hobby and don't make > money >> >off of it. Okay this is a little far-fetched, but it is similar. > > No , it's not the same... People who Trade CD's don't stole them, they ask > before ! > If I ask someone to lend me his Mercedes, he can say no !! If you ask someone to lend you his driver¹s license, he could say yes. But that would be illegal wouldn¹t it? Same thing with the samples. Eric

> >> I haven't checked the patches yet, but I wanted to ask you... If you don¹t >> use the EXS for drums, what do you use???? > > I'm not Sascha, but I can recommend > 1. Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with > and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of > original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to > favour that. > 2. FXpansion Dr-008 is also a very good drumsampler, with additional synth > drum modules en several levels of editing. That's why it takes some more > time to master it. That's kept me from using it a lot until now, comparedto > Battery. It's however more flexible than everything else on the market (and > has a very good price!). Not much working content included though. FXpansion > being a small company Sascha has a point in stating that user wishes willbe > implemented faster than with NI. Although the guys at NI are also quite > communicative. Is the Dr-008 available for Mac users? David Tobin Wow and Flutter music - Arranging, technology, general wellbeing.....

Re: [exs] How to direct exs Samplesw to differnt HD than Logic Folder?! Thanks Urb --

Just move them manually in explorer/finder. The EXS will find them automatically wherever they are as soon as you load your patch. It will however find them way faster once you specify a partition in its preferences (EXS instrument editor > Edit > Preferences). Whenever the EXS finds two or more samples of the same name it will ask you which one to choose. Regards, Sascha

>Is the Dr-008 available for Mac users? Not until now AFAIK. Take a look at www.fxpansion.com to be sure. Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica www.galbatron.com music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron

Hi there ...! The harddisc on my G4 is divided in 2. A "program disc" and a "Music disc" to my audio. Because of more Exs samples the program disc soon will be to little. How can I change it and give the "program disc" a giga from the "music disc" ?? - Or can I save samples on an other disc ? Hope I can do it without a new formatting. Thank you, and we have a lot of snow in Denmark !! Ib Frederiksen

You can not reallocated partitions after the fact. You can save sample on any of your drives. EXS will scan for the change automatically. > From: "unilyd" <unilyd@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:59:55 +0100 > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [exs] Exs samples / Harddisc > > Hi there ...! > > The harddisc on my G4 is divided in 2. A "program disc" and a "Music disc" to > my audio. > Because of more Exs samples the program disc soon will be to little. > > How can I change it and give the "program disc" a giga from the "music disc" > ?? - Or can I save samples on an other disc ? > > Hope I can do it without a new formatting. > > Thank you, and we have a lot of snow in Denmark !! > > Ib Frederiksen > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Hi Ib, Your divisions of your hard disk are partitions. To give one more gig to your "music disc" you would have to initiliaze your HD, partition it and assign the appropriate Gigs to each partition. Unfortunately you would lose all your Data. Yes, you can also save samples on another disk/partition. best wishes, no snow in New York yet, Erland Karkoff > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:59:55 +0100 > From: "unilyd" <unilyd@...> > Subject: Exs samples / Harddisc > > Hi there ...! > > The harddisc on my G4 is divided in 2. A "program disc" and a "Music disc" to > my audio. > Because of more Exs samples the program disc soon will be to little. > > How can I change it and give the "program disc" a giga from the "music disc" > ?? - Or can I save samples on an other disc ? > > Hope I can do it without a new formatting. > > Thank you, and we have a lot of snow in Denmark !! > > Ib Frederiksen

Sascha, Thanks for the Nord instruments. I tried them out and found some useful things. If you decide to create some of the other synths from samples on the site be sure to post them, I would be interested in those as well if you decide to create them. Some time I would like to upgrade to exs24 however right now I could only afford exsp24. Thanks, Paul >From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@... >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com >To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [exs] Some patches for you >Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:59:11 +0100 > >Hey, I just stumbled across the following site: >http://www.zoolabmusic.com/ (thanks to Hendrik Jan Veenstra, he posted that >one on the LUG). >Now, when you go to their download section you'll find some Nord Modular >samples. And, what nice dudes they are, these samples are perfectly looped, >so creating EXS patches is no deal at all. >And as if that wasn't good enough allready, I created some simple EXS >patches out of them. >And hey, I even went a bit further and created some patches making more or >less intense use of the EXS own synthesis options. So, go download the >samples, unzip them onto your preferred EXS samples partition (use >different >folders as there are some samples of the same name) and then get the EXS >instrument files here: >www.saschafranck.de/zoolab_nord_modular.zip (only 14kb) > >This file contains three sort of patches (divided into two zips to make >things more clear): > > Zip 1 ("SamplerInstruments.zip"): >1) Very basic EXS instruments only containing some keymapping. No UI >settings are applied to them. >Here's a great tip, btw: You can load any patch with some nice sounding >Filter, LFO and whatever settings, then load the "raw" patches from the zip >and voila, the filter settings are applied to that patch. > >2) Some combined EXS instruments, still using the same samples from the >zoolab site, but also using some combinations, such as L/R detuned zones of >different instruments. Still no UI settings are applied, so you can use the >tip from 1). >Not much yet, maybe more later. > >Put both of these patches into your "Sampler Instruments" directory (I >recommend unzipping while preserving the directory structures) > > Zip 2 (PluginSettings.zip): >3) Some Plugin Settings (.PST). These are using the patches from 1) and 2) >but also make use of the EXS synthesis. >Put those into "Plugin-SettingsEXS24". >Again, not too much yet. > > ***Small Alert*** >All the "NordPuls" patches are using samples of the same name. They aren't >the same though but as the EXS will have to search your samples, keep an >eye >on what samples these will be. I tried to give the EXS instruments >appropriate names, also there's just three "NordPuls" sample folders, so >the >EXS should give you all necessary options to choose from (unless on your >drive there's more samples using exactly the same names). > >Hope you like these patches a bit, maybe I will do some more and also some >patches for their Waldorf Pulse samples as well. Oh, and maybe it'd be a >nice idea to exchange both EXS patches and Plugin-settings based on these >samples, no? > >Last note: I didn't do a set for the "Nordkit" yet and I won't as I don't >use the EXS for drums anymore. > >Cheers, >Sascha > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Hi, Sascha wrote, > Just move them manually in explorer/finder. The EXS will find them > automatically wherever they are as soon as you load your patch. > It will however find them way faster once you specify a partition in its > preferences (EXS instrument editor > Edit > Preferences). > Whenever the EXS finds two or more samples of the same name it will ask you > which one to choose. I believe that this only works if you move the samples to another folder on the same drive. If it is on a different drive, the exs will not find them. fernstudio

fernstudio wrote: > I believe that this only works if you move the samples to another folder on > the same drive. If it is on a different drive, the exs will not find them. No, works inbetween drives as well (and that's even a must, just imagine you have to change your drive structuring). There's only two situations where the EXS won't find the correct samples: - If they are on another drive than the one you specified (if at all) in your EXS preferences. Nothing too bad, you can just switch that preference to "all volumes" or change the drive letter. - If the EXS finds a sample of the same name more than three times (easily happening with drums). Whenever the required file doesn't show up in the first three choices you're somewhat screwed. In this case the only way to get your samples back properly would be to temporarily move the folders containing the wrong samples (with the right name) temporarily to another drive letter or zip them up or whatever. I have been pretty much annoyed about this (among other things with the EXS) and seriously hope that it will be adressed asap. Regards, Sascha

Paul Martinson wrote: > Sascha, Thanks for the Nord instruments. I tried them out and found some > useful things. Glad you liked them. > If you decide to create some of the other synths from samples > on the site be sure to post them, I would be interested in those as well if > you decide to create them. I allready finished 8 basic patches for the Waldorf Pulse. Had no time to do anything more, plus I either had to readjust the loopoints (some of them weren't as good as with the Nord patches) or setup some completely by my own, which took some time. As you have the EXSP you could fool around with some individual GUI settings though. I might come up with some further patches the next days (well, let me say next year...). Two kinds of Waldorf samples I haven't tweaked yet, the "alarmbass" and "chordal" ones, the others are all there (I like the SuperSync one quite a bit). www.saschafranck.de/Zoolab_Waldorf_Pulse.zip Cheers, Sascha

on 27/12/01 12:37 PM, unilyd at unilyd@... wrote: > Hi everyone > I know it`s not the right place, I`m sorry, but can someone tell me where to > find a user group for Logic. Subscribe: mail to logic-users-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

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> Hello >> I can recommend >> Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with >> and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of >> original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to >> favour that. Could you just say why you use Battery as opposed to the EXS? Dave -- Web Design, Music Composition and Production, Music Technology Training and MORE! www.chadales.co.uk

Hello You can store both samples and ESX Instruments anywhere you like...I have a partition dedicated mainly as a sample store. Just make sure you have an alias of the ESX Instruments folder - with the same name - in your Logic folder. Dave

I just got the EXS and am upgrading from my current 450 computer to an AMD Athlon 1600. I have been reading all the suggestions of having the audio programs on their own hard drive. What about on their own computer? Is their any advantage to linking the two computers, accessing my usual applications on the 450 and my audio on the AMD? Dave Dixon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Howard" <david@...> To: "EXS User Group" <exs-users@yahoogroups.com> > >> I can recommend > >> Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with > >> and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of > >> original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to > >> favour that. > Could you just say why you use Battery as opposed to the EXS? Well I'm thinking of getting battery (or dr008 if its ever for the mac) as well as EXS. The advantages? Browsing samples to create kits is easy and fast, and it treats each drum sample as an instrument with individual envelope and settings rather than like exs where its common to the whole mapped kit. Download the demo to play and see for yourself. ~Pev _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

> I just got the EXS and am upgrading from my current 450 computer to > an AMD Athlon 1600. I have been reading all the suggestions of having > the audio programs on their own hard drive. What about on their own > computer? Is their any advantage to linking the two computers, > accessing my usual applications on the 450 and my audio on the AMD? Not linking them is even better! Make you 1600 the dedicated music computer without Internet etc. I'm doing this for years now. Just a LAN-card for sending big downloaded files from the Internet computer to the music computer. Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica www.galbatron.com music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron

> >> I can recommend > >> Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with > >> and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of > >> original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to > >> favour that. (it was actually me writing that :-) - in a dedicated drumsampler it's much easier to adjust settings for the individual sounds on the fly - it's easier to see what you're doing - every sound in Battery can be given a name. - drag & drop samples from explorer (or finder) and between cells - extra functions (loop + count), shaper, envelope (pitch & amplitude), tune, bit reduce - flexible modulation matrix (also random as source) - velocity crossfade But i'm sure DR-008 has also a lot of these things and more! Battery is not *better* I actually use Battery because it was the first user friendly VST drumsampler. I tried LM-4 but making kits with this one was a pain. I tried DR-005 (predecessor of DR-008) but that one crashed on me when it couldn't find its kits in Logic (I exchange songs with my fellow Galbatron musician that has of course another path to store the kits on his machine). What's easier than drag & drop the samples from Explorer and see everything you're doing (cells blinking, all parameters directly available on screen). I almost never use accoustic drums, so the elektro kits delivered with Battery are a good addition for me. It's also very simple to change the sounds in a wink, so they're not identified as 'the preset kits' :-). It's a pity it doesn't have a filter (or filters). Battery also imports S1000 (has been optimized in the last update) so accoustic kits won't be a problem sing a good library I guess. But i'm sure DR-008 has also a lot of these things and more! Battery is not *better*. I'm getting in to DR-008 more and more and it's also very good! When you're on Windows it think I would recommend it as the best value for money. BTW: If you're a 'sound searcher' (letting your song play and try out all your 45627 samples on your HD within the context of a song) DR-008 can do this best. It can play with opened load dialog and you can try all sounds in the dialog with cursor keys. Not possible with Battery (nor EXS!). Eppo Schaap Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica www.galbatron.com music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron

Eppo Schaap wrote: > BTW: If you're a 'sound searcher' (letting your song play and try out all > your 45627 samples on your HD within the context of a song) DR-008 can do > this best. It can play with opened load dialog and you can try all sounds in > the dialog with cursor keys. Not possible with Battery (nor EXS!). This actually is possible with Battery. If I remember correctly (I don't own Battery but have been fooling around with it on a friends machine) there's a little checkbox whenever you load a sample through the file selection box saying something like "play in kit" or similar. Regards, Sascha