Sorry to be a curmudgeon, but to me this is just plain wrong. If I were Redmatica, no way would I stage a group buy on Keymap. I've been working for years on a brilliant and unique program that threatens to revolutionize sample library development. Why should I lower the price? I can't raise it again after a group buy, in fact it's already a problem that people have been trained to expect group buys with bargain basement prices before they buy anything. Of course it's nice to get ridiculously cheap prices, but if we want to have great software, we need to pay for it. Now, lest anyone think I'm a hypocrite, we did run a group buy for VI mag on the Logic list. But that wasn't anything that's going to hurt the industry by lowering the prices to the point that magazines can't survive. So it's not that I'm against normal capitalistic processes or that I don't see the other side, just that I want great software to continue to be developed. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) +1818/905-9101, cell 590-9101