On 24/08/2005, at 4:59 PM, Sascha Franck wrote: > Paul Najar wrote: >> I see your point but why do you find that unrealistic? One open hat >> cuts of the next open hat as played by a real drummer. > > No, it doesn't. Think about a cymbal (which an opened hihat is). When > you hit it, it'll just continue ringing when you hit it again. > The effect is geting even more drastic when using lots of dynamics. > Thing swing cymbal stuff. There's usually a continuous pattern > going on with a few accents here and there. It's sounding highly > unnatural when the low leveled hits are cutting off the accented > ones. Just the same applies to hihats. > >> Would you like >> the option of having the open hat not cut off the next open hat? > > Yes please. > Here's a very lame sorta rock drum pattern, 4 bars are using a > polyphonic opened hat (DR-008/AKAI style), the next 4 bars are using > a monophonic one (EXS style). Pretty much a common 8th note pattern > with varying amounts of accents on the full beats. > Mind you, this is no multimapped sample, the hat is also too loud, but > it demostrates the issue quite properly, I think: > http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/temp/OpenHats.mp3 > The last 4 bars just sound horrible. > >> If >> your answer is yes then simply assign the same sample to another note >> number and different or no group and you're done. It would take me >> about 4 seconds to do that. > > It's not as easy with multimapped samples, plus, if you'd used > something like a drum trigger thingy, you certainly wouldn't want > your open hats to be on different keys. I also don't like it when > editing MIDI drums, but I do so occassionally anyways, simply > because on a keyboard they are more comfortable to record. > Still, even with 2 keys for your hats, the third stroke wouild cut > stoke 1 off, which might still be ringing. > > Seriously, the only solution to this problem would be having exclusive > groups being polyphonic. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me. I get it now. Your audio example is clear. This would normally be the end of my post but something was still nibbling at my brain - so I decided to do my own test. I played an 8th note open hat pattern for 2 bars similar to the one in your pattern. I loaded a kit I use sometimes. The open hat only has 2 samples in it and we are only triggering one of them. Max velocity is 120, min is 9 - a big difference - to see weather I can get them to glitch like yours. The first 2 bars are on isnt 1 with EXS set to 1 voice. The 3rd & 4th bars is an alias copy of the first pattern onto inst 2 where the EXS is is set to allow 8 voices with the same kit loaded. I can't hear a difference between the two patterns. Tell me what you think? <http://www.jaminajar.com/EXS/exs_hat_test.mp3>; Regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com